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That’s a funny way of spelling “jailed for attempted murder.”
Maybe more people should just not become cops. Right? Like, maybe don’t join a gang of thieves, killers, and domestic abusers. Maybe don’t sign on to their cult of secrecy that betrays the very law they’re supposed to uphold. Maybe don’t put on the magic costume that makes you immune to consequences but also marks you as an enemy of humanity.
> The Ohio Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association said on Facebook that Speakman had been terminated without just cause and that the union’s senior counsel had filed a grievance.
> Speakman was fired “contrary to mandatory principles of progressive discipline,” the union said.
These fucking cops and their unions. He’ll get his job back with backpay. If he doesn’t, it’ll be a rare occurrence of their unions failing to protect them from consequences.
He’ll just be hired somewhere else. Everyone knows this.
But I aways struggle thinking about would should happen. Like ideally, yeah, that dude would never be allowed to be a cop ever again.
The problem is that if that kind of punishment would actually start happening, people would just never want to be a cop.
Imagine being 30 years old or something and you fuck up and now you have to figure out and begin an entirely new career.
Like yeah - just don’t sick your dog on a person and you won’t have to deal with that problem. I get it. But it will still deter a huge number of people from becoming cops because they’ll be afraid of making the wrong split decision in the moment.
If a doctor makes a decision and hurts a patient, they could be sued, and can lose their medical license.
If an engineer makes an incorrect call that kills someone, they get sued, and can lose their status as an engineer.
If a lawyer offers incorrect legal advice, they can be sued and lose their right to practice.
Basically every profession that has some sort of certification / qualification process will revoke that qualification if the professional strays from their guidelines, yet we still have tons of engineers, lawyers, doctors, psychologists, nurses, bartenders, etc
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Yes for sure. Because doctors engineers lawyers get paid a shit load.
Average police salary is $85k and you could die at work every day.
And you could also lose your career every day?
Who would want this job.
Cops sure do seem to work hard at being shitty. Maybe if they didn’t do that, they wouldn’t risk losing their jobs?
I don’t think they make more mistakes than anyone else at their job.
There are ~50 million police interactions in the US per year. Think about how many bad cop videos you see online in a year. Even if you saw 1 every day that’s 0.00073% of all interactions.
It’s just that their mistakes are typically more severe than other jobs.
I’m not disagreeing that there should be harsh punishment, I just don’t know the gameplan for when people no longer want to be cops, and what to do with the former cops.
Look at it this way - which cops do you think are most likely to be affected by a rule that would allow them to lose their certification for particularly egregious or repeated errors? It isn’t the good ones that you might want to keep around.
Lying on a police report. Intentionally disobeying organization policy by disabling body cameras. Tackling a suspect to the ground that isn’t resisting. Beating a suspect in handcuffs. Shooting someone who is facing away from them with their hands up. Do you believe that a reasonable person would understand that these things are wrong without even a single day of training?
Personally, I’m okay with scaring people away from the profession who might think “jeez, I can get fired and lose my certification just for intentionally assaulting a civilian and then lying to a judge about it on an official report” or “man, execute one person who wasn’t an immediate threat, and that’s it my careers over”. Maybe it’s okay if those people decide not to become cops on the first place
You’re thinking about the positive impact it will have on the small, egde-case outlier cops who intentionally hurt people for the fun of it, and not the majority of cops who never do something that would attract views on social media now having to alter their decision making process because if they ever happen to make the wrong split-second decision their whole career is over.
It will deter normal good people from being cops. It will deter the logical, respectful, moral person that you’d want to be a cop from becoming a cop.
They aren’t as much of outliers as you might think, and yes, eliminating those outliers is absolutely the goal.
But you seem to be thinking that no good person will want to be subject to accountability and consequences. Nobody is suggesting that a cop be immediately terminated forever for any minor mistake they might make. Not even necessarily for a big mistake. There are different degrees of punishment for different levels of mistakes and violations.
Everyone understands that in the course of their profession, police may need to shoot and kill a suspect. If a cop makes a potentially understandable mistake, even if it leads to the death of another person, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re permanently banned. Track record and reasonableness given the situation are important to consider.
Courts still lean heavily towards giving police the benefit of the doubt and that’s not going to change any time soon. So this fear mongering of “scrutiny means good people won’t be cops” just doesn’t stand up. If they’re as good as you say, they should be okay with following professional standards, upholding the law, and exercising good judgement on a regular basis. And those are not the cops that this type of legislation would be targeting.
But at this moment, we all know there are still too many problem cops, and the mechanisms in place aren’t strong enough to prevent a problem cop with a history from continuing to be a cop. At a certain point, enough is enough.
bartenders, truckers, and security guards all make less than $85k on average. Hell, the average salary for a geological engineer is $81k in the US.
Yet if a bartender makes a wrong call on a person’s age, they lose their license, if a trucker accidentally dozes off during an 8 hr drive, that’s the end of their career, and a security guard causing excessive harm would get their license revoked.
Yet somehow, you’re saying cops should be allowed to sic dogs on people who have their hands in the air and are clearly unarmed, while not losing their ability to continue being a cop. This would literally be a war crime if it was done during a war.
Why do all of you think I’m saying cops should be allowed to do this.
I said in my first post and every post after that that I think that cop should never be allowed to be a cop again.
What is wrong with you? Why are you so hungry for a fight on the internet?
I’m not even going to try to talk to you.
What in the bootlicking nonsense is this. “Oopsie clumsy me I fuckywuckied and irrevocably harmed this innocent citizen forever changing their life”
I said he should never be a cop again. I don’t know what you want from me dude lol.
Imagine me saying to that cop “you should never be a cop again” and him saying “hey thanks for the support man”
A trial without qualified immunity for battery is what I want. A national registry and licensure that stops offenders finding a new job in a new towns is what I want. **If accountability scares someone away from being a police officer we’re better off without them. **
I want to be able to feel safe around police in my community.
Ok I’m all for that.
We just need a strategy for when no one wants to be a cop.
Low salary, risk of death, and risk of losing your career is not a combination that works anywhere else.
It’s almost like MMA, or the NFL or something. In those professions you have the risk of death/injury plus the risk of losing your career, but the payoff is fame and wealth.
For police there is no payoff lol. Right now the payoff is sort of “whatever you do it is always forgiven and you’ll always find a new job in another town and never go to jail for your mistakes”.
Obviously that is bad and should be done away with, but it needs to be replaced with a new payoff or else the job is not worth it.
The payoff for one job is the same as it is for any other job. Pay & Benefits.
Can’t attract anyone to do your job? Increase pay & benefits. Hazard pay is 100% a thing that exists.
Also, reevaluate who needs to do what jobs. Does a cop need to do wellness checks or would a social worker be better suited?
Yeah I think they’d definitely have to increase pay and benefits in this scenario.
It’s just gonna be hard sell convincing people to vote for politicians that say “we need to increase your taxes to increase police pay and benefits”.
How? Right now they increase taxes to pay for military grade weapons for the police to use on citizens and people vote for it just fine.
