• count_dongulus@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    My #1 pet peeve is when someone comes to me with a problem, and the solution is in the fucking console output or error message.

    On a bad day, if I had unilateral power, I would fire those people on the spot.

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      At one of my old jobs, we had a suite of browser tests that would run on PR. It’d stand up the application, open headless chrome, and click through stuff. This was the final end-to-end test suite to make sure that yes, you can still log in and everything plays nicely together.

      Developers were constantly pinging slack about “why is this test broken??”. Most of the time, the error message would be like “Never found an element matching css selector #whatever” or “Element with css selector #loading-spinner never went away”. There’d be screenshots and logs, and usually when you’d look you’d see like the loading spinner was stuck, and the client had gotten a 400 back from the server because someone broke something.

      We put a giant red box on the CI/CD page explaining what to do. Where to read the traces, reminding them there’s a screenshot, etc. Still got questions.

      I put a giant ascii cat in the test output, right before the error trace, with instructions in a word bubble. People would ping me, “why is this test broken?”. I’d say “What did the cat say?” They’d say “What cat?” And I’d know they hadn’t even looked at the error message.

      There’s a kind of learned helplessness with some developers and tests. It’s weird.

    • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      Same here. For some fucking reason reading is so damn difficult

      Error: pull your head out of your ass
      

      Hey I got this error what do

    • Nat (she/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Minecraft mod users are the worst. They’ll post a screenshot of a version mismatch or dependency error that literally tells them how to resolve it and ask “hey, this mod isn’t working, how do I fix it?”

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          I figured that shit out when I was 12 and there were way less learning resources about it on the internet then. Fuck 'em. Someone who never has to solve their own problems without handholding is someone who will never learn to solve problems, period. IPad kids are scared of error messages and that’s their problem. They’ve never had to troubleshoot anything before.

          Though I can’t blame the kids entirely. Most error messages in the modern era absolutely suck nuts. Half of them nowadays (at least on the client side) are just

          “oopsie, there’s been a widdle fucky wucky, sooorrrrryyyyy 💖”

          With zero actionable info in it. Not even a distinction of You/We/Your ISP Has Fucked Something Up. I guess they figured (correctly) that the end user wasn’t going to read it anyway so why bother, but this drives me nuts when I see it.

  • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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    People like this are the reason AI is so unreliable at exploring code issues.

    Like, I just want Copilot to look at my dependencies to explain a vague error I’m seeing and it’s telling me to downgrade Ruby, upgrade Rails, and install Python. Bro, it’s a node package.

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    Well, atleast they explained how they “fixed” the problem.

    Got to love those “all good, problem solved/went away” - posted 5 years ago