better yet, lets rebuild any factories to produce parts and vehicles for a nationalised electric vehicle company, to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
The problem is that supporting car infrastructure always results in a loss for society. Building more roads for cars, wider roads for cars (i.e. more lanes), more parking for cars… is such a drain on funding that you never catch up.
If you live in a municipality that doesn’t have enough money for basic services, it’s because of the money needed to support car infrastructure. Sounds crazy, but it’s true.
As a country, we should de-prioritize cars as a means of transportation, but also as an industry that we rely too heavily on.
If Canadian manufacturing could diversify into other areas of transportation (i.e. affordable, Made in Canada e-bikes and e-cargo bikes) or putting our manufacturing efforts into building trains and public transportation vehicles… we would strengthen our economy while helping people, and it wouldn’t be at a loss!
Just because one step doesn’t get you to your destination, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take that first step.
Bikes aren’t practical in a large number of Canadian cities, especially ones with -30 degree seasons. They aren’t practical for disabled people. They aren’t practical for families with young children.
A lack of road infrastructure also hobbles emergency services such as ambulances. It reduces the ability of trucks to deliver goods to stores. It reduces the ability for utility crews to service utilities such as power lines and sewers.
There are a lot of potential issues with aggressively pursuing what you envision. At the very least you’d need to massively re-work city design and zoning, rebuild a ton of stuff. That will take time. Shifting to electric cars will take less time, and be a net ‘win’ for the environment, generally speaking. I see no issue with the first persons response saying we should try to make evs in country.
Just because one step doesn’t get you to your destination, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take that first step.
But the first step shouldn’t be to focus on car manufacturing… again.
Bikes aren’t practical in a large number of Canadian cities, especially ones with -30 degree seasons. They aren’t practical for disabled people. They aren’t practical for families with young children.
Says who? With the appropriate infrastructure (i.e. like what you see in Montreal), you can have cycling year-round. Hell, I’m not from Montreal, and have used my bike all winter for errands.
And last summer, I was hauling two grandkids around by bike. It’s not hard.
Cars are unaffordable, and will continue to be for most people. Even families who can “afford” a car, are being hurt by their dependency.
And taxpayers all lose when cars are the focus of our transportation network.
A lack of road infrastructure also hobbles emergency services such as ambulances. It reduces the ability of trucks to deliver goods to stores. It reduces the ability for utility crews to service utilities such as power lines and sewers.
I didn’t say we should reduce our roads to dirt paths and let it all crumble. But we don’t need 18 lane highways or 2 lanes of parking on a four lane road… we are building too much to support gridlock by inducing demand.
Emergency vehicles and delivery trucks benefit by having FEWER drivers on the road. This is a fact.
There are a lot of potential issues with aggressively pursuing what you envision. At the very least you’d need to massively re-work city design and zoning, rebuild a ton of stuff. That will take time.
No, it really doesn’t. What takes time (and money) is road widening, constant road repair, figuring out what homes to demolish to make room for another road we don’t need to build.
Cities and countries that have de-prioritized cars have done so very quickly and with massive benefits to their communities. See Montreal, Paris, any city in the Netherlands, Vancouver, Columbia (the country!), etc.
It costs much less to build out cycling and public transportation, and it can be done much faster than building out infrastructure just for cars.
Shifting to electric cars will take less time, and be a net ‘win’ for the environment, generally speaking. I see no issue with the first persons response saying we should try to make evs in country.
That’s not true at all. We don’t need or want people making short trips in an EV. It still puts the community at risk (crashes), it still degrades the road surface, it contributes MORE to “tire dust”, still keeps people inactive, still keeps the poor at a disadvantage, still removed “community” from our communities. It’s just not a path forward.
I’m not saying we need an all-or-nothing solution. We need to rebalance our transportation network and make transportation more equitable and easier to access. There’s no reason why the majority of Canadians can’t walk, bike, or bus their way around town for the majority of their errands.
Prove it with a fully costed source / platform. Maybe push it to the green party. Run for election.
Otherwise your stated dissent against my points basically amounts to is just two assholes arguing on the internet, with both getting covered in shit.
There is only one asshole here and it isn’t the person you are responding to or who is currently responding to you.
I’ve had enough discussions with people on lemmy so far, where they demand I source/cite a bunch of stuff, while they choose not to cite anything. So I’m not overly fussed, and I find your response kinda funny given how the site seems to trend.
I’m fine with people stating opinions and not sourcing stuff, but to that effect it doesn’t make all that much sense to try and pick apart an opposing opinion without citing things, if you’re wanting to get into a back and forth. If people want to ‘dream’ about some ‘Freedom city’ that’s designed with eco sustainability in mind from the ground up, that’s great, but it’d need to stay in the realm of fantasy until it’s costed/proven viable.
Like in his response he goes on about montreal’s infrastructure, but doesn’t acknowledge that Quebec receives the most in equalization payments by far as a province – the amount of money that province receives, as the second largest in the country, has often been a bone of contention from the West. Most likely if they have the funds to build a bunch of that stuff in Montreal, it’s because of these sorts of uneven supports driven by the federal parties wanting to cozy up to Quebec, moreso than it being realistically viable for a small town in northern BC/Alberta. I don’t need to “prove” that explicitly, because I’m not the one arguing Montreal as the poster child of his approach – so he/she/they should be providing that information in more detail for consideration, if wanting to convince readers that ditching cars is the way to go.
There’s an old line where extreme claims require extreme evidence/proof – so on this one, calling for abandoning cars, is a far more extreme change than saying we should switch to in-canada EV production. The onus of providing evidence is on the other poster.
No one cares.
How about we don’t waste all of that money and resources and invest in mass public nation wide transit instead.
whos to say this facility couldnt produce components for that system as well?
whos to say this facility couldnt produce components for that system as well?
Most people with a working knowledge of how production facilities operate and who know the difference between cars and trains.
my elecrtronic engineering degree is laughing at you from across the room right now.
Whatever you say month old lemmy world account.
