Currently chatting with the other mods about this and while we don’t want the community to be overrun by Elon, the articles are some of the most upvoted in the past few days. It seems, that people do want to hear about what’s going on but not at a rate that drowns out other content. We’ve been careful to prune out duplicates to keep the flow down, but the volume of Elon posts and Twitter / X is definitely… a lot. I do see how some find it annoying so we’re keeping an eye on the situation, but I do agree it does meet the criteria of being both news and tech related. I assume that he’ll eventually run out of Twitter pieces to break, right :P
Please do keep an open line of communication with us and all replies, feedback and opinions are always welcome! Cheers!
why did you remove the Grindr unionization post
@enu reply to this please
I believe the upvotes mainly come from rage engagement. I don’t wanna see them either, but they provoke a reaction.
Yeah, Lemmy is for obsessively shitposting about Reddit, not Twitter.
We can keep that Twitter shit over on Mastodon where it belongs.
Also, memes about that movie I was promoting.
Yay oppenheimer
Why are there so many Elon bootlickers on Lemmy?
Why are there so many Elon bootlickers anywhere?
He got rich off the brand that’s basically just himself. That gives gullible idiots the hope that their miserable lives will turn around once they finally “made it” like Musk in their minds did.
There’s also this pathological thing of posting even the negative crap about these types of toxic figures, all the time. The attention they receive - positive and negative - is like flies swarming around shit.
“Enough musk spam”… then they proceed to carpet-bomb the goddamned place with musk spam.Agreed, I literally blocked that community because I was tired of seeing his name all the time and all they ever post is shit about him. I really don’t get it.
I get that this is a contentious topic and I agree that Musk gets too much coverage, but…I strongly believe that people should be able to post whatever they want as long as it adheres to the community’s topic (technology) and adheres to the rules.
The arguement of, “I don’t wanna see {topic here} so stop posting about {topic here}” is a really slippery slope. Clearly there are quiet users here that DO actually want to hear about X news and DO want to dicuss it. What about topics that appeal to you, or like 20% of the community, but 80% couldn’t give a shit? Where is the line?
Realistically, this is on you. You don’t like it? Downvote and scroll past it. Want a perfectly curated source of news you care about? Use an RSS reader that offers topic filters. This is a community of diverse interests that may not always reflect yours. Deal with it, or go elsewhere.
Your point is absolutely valid, but what’s happening at Twitter really is only relevant to social media news. There’s no tech changing or advancing, just a really bad marketing decision. I personally do not believe that this is tech news or relevant to it.
To be fair it’s a tech company though so it can impact those in the tech space. Generally it doesn’t but you know what I mean.
Doesn’t matter. People can post whatever they want. And people can vote on whatever they want. And Elon content is being voted up. What this post is really saying is:
“STOP LIKING THINGS I DON’T LIKE”
And these people need to get over it or stop using Lemmy. You’re not entitled to only see the content you want.
I agree. It’s more political than technology related.
Its either Business or Political not tech
So what’s odd here is that this is tech devolving. X is a software services and technology company that pioneered a field. We are watching that fall apart in real time.
Technology doesn’t exist in a vacuum it is entwined in society. Business decisions are undoing years of a societies integration into daily lives. This is like witnessing the fall of Rome in fast forward. So oddly enough this is an live use case in the convergence of society and tech., which is technology.
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That’s an even bigger contentious debate. And the fact that there is no one mutually agreed on answer means we either need a formal definition in the rules or the people in this community need to understand that there are people that exist with a broader or narrower definition of technology than they have.
That said, like it or not, go to any major tech blog, podcast, YouTuber, and they all talking about X / Twitter. The tech communities outside of Lemmy have all agreed that Twitter / X is technology. And Lemmy doesn’t live in a bubble.
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> The tech communities outside of Lemmy have all agreed that Twitter / X is technology.
This is an “appeal to authority” logical fallacy.
Personally I think an argument that “Twitter / X is technology” is a very, very difficult argument to make. It’s a social media company. Is every company that has a website “tech”?
It’s also a generalisation. Perhaps if twitter invented a new decentralised database that might be “tech”, but marketing decisions are not.
Marketing decisions of a tech company are valid to be discussed. We discuss marketing and other business decisions of many tech companies and will continue to do so. Your argument is invalid - you’re not the arbiter of what are and what aren’t valid discussion subjects.
How is twitter a tech company ?
https://money.cnn.com/2014/08/22/technology/social/twitter-isis/index.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/is-twitter-a-technology-platform-a-media-company-or-both-3603227.html
the debate rages on. Frankly, I think you’re moronic to complain about Twitter here. They are regularly influencing tech media reporting and they launched as a tech stock.
I think it would help define it or give examples of what it is or isn’t intended to include. Should it include biotech, materials tech, or is it limited to computers, Internet, AI? Or…?
Technology to me includes things like papyrus and typewriters and the above and much more. But what I expect to see in a technology community is narrower than that.
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…but that’s what happens when you call a community “technology”. Its a pretty damn broad category and these days, incredibly mainstream.
Communities like " technology" are going to be as mainstream as they were on Reddit. There is nothing you can do about it unless you convince the mods to spend 14 hours a day curating and removing posts from people with mainstream definitions.
If you want a more curated definition, or you have more niche interests, then you probably want to go to a different community. Heck, maybe start your own. Be the change you want to see.
It seems a bit silly to go to a community called “technology” and then complain that it represents what 90% of technology news sources are talking about.
anything including and beyond hitting a nut with a rock to open it
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What defines “real piece of shit?”
What defines “nuts”
There are plenty of people who would call Lemmy a “real piece of shit” and all of us “nuts”.
It seems a lot of people here think that anyone who runs a Web site is a tech company.
they… do? it’s like the “what is art” debate. the answer is “whatever you want it to mean in that moment and it can be different in the next moment”
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site? Strictly speaking the wheel is also technology, so a post about the history of the wheel seems like a worthy post in a tech community? We might as well post anything here because almost everything you use in your daily life is either technology or related to technology. While I do understand the philosophical aspect of the answer it has no practical value when it comes to defining what kind of content should be posted here.
There needs to be a more practical understanding of what the community considers “tech” so that wrong kind of posts don’t get spammed here. For me personally the internet has been around for most of my life. It’s not some new a shiny thing, it’s as common as the wheel. Therefor I don’t consider just running a bog standard website “tech”. Similarly I don’t consider Twitter / X a tech company, they’re a social media company that uses software as a tool. I haven’t considered anything about Twitter, except firing the engineers, as tech news since Musk wanted to buy Twitter. Maybe even before Musk tried to buy it, but who remembers things from eons ago. If there was news about some kind of exploit on Twitter or a data breach, that I could consider tech news because that is generally related to the actual tech they are using for their business. But a Twitter rebrand? Has literally nothing to do with tech beyond the tools they used constituting as “tech”. But then we’re back to square one where I could post about a new bicycle coming out, because the wheels bicycles use are “tech” and the frame material being used is produced by “tech” and there’s a lot of “tech” that goes into a bicycle. But somehow I doubt this is what the community cares about.
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site?
So writing “R MUTT 1917” on a urinal and putting it in an art gallery constitutes as “art” just because they said it is?
etc etc
According to you it definitely does, that was literally your argument for having anything remotely tech related as tech news.
My argument was that it needs to be actually related to tech/art to considered that. If we want to be super critical of art then just writing that at an urinal may or may not be art. For the sake of argument let’s say it’s not. But if someone takes a picture of it (or turns the entire thing into a composition) and puts it in an art gallery then it is art. It has to contextualized somehow as art to be in a gallery and that contextualization defines it as art. Similarly tech news should be in in the context of tech, which is why something like rebranding a company is not necessarily tech news.
yes, I was using the famous example that broke the Fin De Ciele -era snobbery about art and the distinction between artist and artisan to make a point.
my point is that you can’t define it. So you say “should posts about the wheel be included?”
and the answer is if you exclude all things about wheels where do you draw the line? someone creates a new type of ball bearing that revolutionizes manufacturing, but thats not allowed because it’s a wheel? Someone uses a new archeological discovery about an ancient device to invent a modern one? No posts about cars, trains etc? No posts about waterwheel generated activity?
It becomes impossible to police.
Go to any tech site, publication, podcast YouTuber, etc. All of them are talking about Twitter. Mainstream tech has agreed that Twitter / Facebook are tech.
Im not saying I agree. I’m not saying even that I care about these topics. I don’t. I think Musk is an idiot and actively avoid news about his BS. But clearly a lot of people do care and a lot of people agree that Twitter is tech.
If this community wants to specify a definition of tech that differs from the mainstream, then they need to put it in the rules and accept that we need to control the acceptable conversation because certain members of the community are getting triggered by having to scroll past posts related to Musk or his properties.
This argument is kind of saying “/c/technology should contain any topics which are interesting to people subscribed to /c/technology”.
We’re not a publication, podcast, or youtuber. This is a community aggregating posts about the topic of choice. We’re not trying to gather up users by posting things that are interesting to our existing users.
This statement indicates that what is technology is decided by popular opinion, not by any inherent meaning in words. Certainly the meaning of words change with time and they have no inherent meaning, so in a very real sense, definitions are decided by popular vote. However, if Twitter is a tech company, then so is every newspaper, magazine, bank, credit card company, any business with a data base for inventory management. It’s a useless definition. Let’s go with the actual mainstream definition of a tech company, a company that develops, produces, licenses or sells technology or technology services, and Twitter doesn’t do any of that. It sells ad space and subscriptions, the business model of a media company.
Friendo…
That’s how language works. Language evolves and adapts over time via social pressure. Nobody uses words exactly as they are defined in the Oxford English Dictionary. Words are given meaning by people and inevitably those meanings shift and change as people use them in new and different ways.
Just because you adopted pedantry in order to push out topics you hate hearing about doesn’t mean everyone else has to adopt your constructed definitions.
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Yes, I’ve just said that languages evolve. I’m saying that “technology companies” has not yet and will not ever evolve to mean “companies that develop, produce, license or sell technology or technology services, and also Twitter”. When Twitter starts getting involved in tech, it will be a tech company.
Politely disagree, in that I suspect this is a hypocritical sentiment. Most users who get off of Elon news will agree with this position now but then cry foul when this community is spammed with a subject not to their liking. And as much as the ideology of free speech (rightly) resonates, just like with free markets, some minimal regulation is needed in practice; otherwise some fanatics could choke this feed up with, I dunno, 99% Microsoft news, all the time, and you wouldn’t be able to say shit because you “strongly believe people should be able to post whatever they want”. I doubt that you would stand by your lofty convictions so strongly then.
Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with expressing a desire for more or less of something—it’s just an opinion. It’s a bullshit argument to say, “If you don’t like it, instead of articulating why, just use the limited non-descriptive tool provided to reduce your passionate sentiment into a trivial binary value and cast it into the sea of thousands just like it; or else, like, go create an entirely new community or a custom feed or whatever you want. But mainly, just fuck off.”
Let me make this clear.
I don’t give a FLYING FUCK about Elon. I actively ignore any posts about him or his shitty empire. Stop using the behaviors of his idiot stans to argue with me. I am not them.
What I do care about is a community telling people what they can or cannot post, not through rules changes, not through mod action, but by agreeing internally to bully every person who dares to post what every tech publication is talking about.
I think you need to evaluate why you let this shit trigger you. I mean, this is like going to a coffee shop and raising a stink because they sell pumpkin spice lattes. Don’t consume it. Use Lemmy’s tools to filter it out if you really need to.
Its not the community’s job to cater to your specific content desires. This isn’t a news site. Its a place for people to talk about whatever they think technology is. It’s your job to moderate what you pay attention to.
I didn’t see any proposals to ban them. If anything this post is about what little value they bring to the community.
But maybe it’s because I’d rather this community be more about technology and less about technology as it appears in the news.
If i could wish one ability/skill, I would wish to have this person’s articulation skill
> It’s your job to moderate what you pay attention to.
:Chefs-kiss:
Funny enough I think it’s a hypocritical sentiment but on the other foot – users who are tired of this news are going to eventually find some news they are interested in, and then resist having it sequestered somewhere else.
This is a technology community, and (whether you like it or not) Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Especially with the slipshod way they are doing with it, there is bound to be a lot of articles covering different weird tangential effects from the rush job.
Yeah I don’t like this. Can’t we just use our upvotes to decide which news are important?
Most people on All don’t check what comm a post is from before upvoting. That’s why on Reddit all subs that regularly hit r/all are basically the same. I’m fine with the Twitter news here, but upvotes don’t work as quality control.
The point is that news about Twitter rebranding is simply not related to technology. This is a technology community. These submissions should not even be posted in the first place to have the opportunity to be voted on.
Are you really suggesting that we take the low quality Reddit approach to high quality subs like /r/funny?
I suppose this is what happens when the lowest common denominator goes down coupled with ignorance of how the lowest common denominator affects community quality.
Communities lose their niche by catering to the lowest common denominator and become homogeneous with each other. This has been a long-standing phenomena on Reddit, one which I would expect to not be carried over to Lemmy since it’s largely a symptom of a user base that has more interest in memes, funnies, and celebrity worship than discussion and real news.
Alright, how do you decide who is the “lowest common denominator” who shouldn’t get to have a say over what is being discussed?
How about the people who stumble across the comm’s posts on All but aren’t subscribed? On Reddit you could also talk about the original user base from before a sub started hitting r/all but [email protected] doesn’t really have an ‘original’ user base.
It does sound reasonable to prioritize subscribed users when counting upvotes, to reflect the interests of that particular community.
But I don’t think that will stop people from bringing up any news involving Twitter. The submission and initial momentum likely happens within the community itself.
That would be cool, never thought about that. Straight up not allowing voting from All/when you’re not subbed could also be interesting as an experiment. But yeah, here plenty of people are just interested in Twitter news.
>are just interested in Twitter news.
From the way I’m interpreting that… shouldn’t that demand for ‘just twitter news’ lead to a new community for that specifically? Like if it’s really that interesting to enough people, wouldn’t that be the better outcome?
I keep downvoting them. But I am apparently alone.
It’s hard not to upvote because fuck Elon. But at the same time its all dumb shit.
It’s a lose lose situation.
How many posts on Twitter is in your feed? Sorting by Hot, I see only two posts on Twitter, not including your post. Same if I sort by New.
Even if it is only 1 it is more than it should be.
This is an absurd position. I agree there could stand to be fewer posts. I don’t need to hear fifteen times that Mastodon has record increases (which would actually qualify as technology news by your standards, wouldn’t it?). But I would like to see it once. A limitation to keeping one popular article (as determined by the mods) per discrete news item would be a far better approach.
I’m not interested in hearing about how Elon took over an X Twitter account yet again. I am very interested however in hearing that companies will lose verification on Twitter unless they buy enough ads. That is currently newsworthy.
It’s clear that a substantial number of users are interested in hearing about this. It’s also clear that a substantial number of users are sick of hearing about this. There should be a compromise to find a middle ground, not either extreme of “as many posts about Twitter as you’d like” nor “no posts about Twitter at all”.
If that’s what you think I suggest you to start looking for filter options, maybe some apps already have them.
It’ll be funny to see because he’ll have to block the letter X
Yeah well I bet it is gonna be called Twitter for a while yet (the best option would be they keep calling it Twitter lol).
Could be a solution. But what if that company has an actual tech news, like release a new open source software or started contributing to a given web standard.
Well, then I guess you should put your priorities on a balance before making any filtering route.
If it helps for something I also get tired of repetitive news (especially because I’m subbed to many tech communities), but I just scroll and hide (Voyager and Summit), so not much of my “time is lose”.
Yeah let’s have no news at all about one of the largest and most influential tech companies going through massive restructuring! That kind of thing has no place on a tech community
Then maybe this isn’t the community for you.
Big news, yes. But not tech related at all. Those Elon news should be on TMZ.
twitter isn’t relevant in technological development, it’s just a toxic social media site which hasn’t changed in any significant way since its inception (technologically speaking)
I agree with you that no one in the tech world is looking at Twitter for advice atm, but to say nothing changed at Twitter in any significant way since it’s inception is disingenuous at best. Twitter’s rapid growth and adoption led to the development of a number of key technologies needed to run global 24/7 uptime services at scale, just to name one macro example.
Ok that was then. What innovations have they put forth lately? Let’s talk about that. Changing the company name isn’t particularly Innovative.
Reread what I said: I agree that nothing major has been introduced by Twitter lately, but to say that they contributed nothing to the tech world since their inception, which is what the user above me was claiming, is disingenuous. Both can be true: Twitter can be a flaming pile of shit now (and it is), and it can also have been a very influential and technologically forward-thinking org at one point in time early on in their inception
> Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Is it? It doesn’t change anything.
> Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Maybe, but we have seen it now. If every fart of Musk needs a new thread, maybe better to make a Musk group.
reddit used to have r/EnoughMuskSpam lol
Unfortunate how they spam musk themselves
Yeah I never got the gimmick of that sub because it’s actively contributing to the problem. Guy lives rent free in their heads and they have to take it out on the rest of us.
It is definitely very big news, but I guess the amount of articles on that topic is overshadowing the rest of tech news.
Maybe we could consider that news relative to Twitter/X should be on their own community, that users can choose to subscribe, ignore or block?
The reddit sub always seemed to be a lot more about the business side of technology and I just remember a lot of arguing.
It would be nice to have an actual technology sub that discusses actual technology.
How about the mods unsticky the Twitter/Elon megathread?
I’d rather want to know why we have 10 posts about twitter changing it’s name but the one post about grindr employees unionizing gets removed because it’s apparently not tech related
Are unionization posts getting removed here? That seems against the whole idea of an open internet here.
This sort of situation is why I believe the human interests around technology should be covered.
Wait, what? I dont give a fuck about the elon musk shit, but I care about grindr employees. Seems this community is earning a block from my side
Well, it is tech, what do you expect?
twitter isn’t any more “tech” than Nanna’s blog about knitting.
It’s literally a tech company. The laws the company tests are all about the impact of tech.
They are not sellung technology. If i could buy a license to run twitter on my server then you would be correct.
Twitter is a socialmedia company . Just as uber is rideshare company
In your mind a company has to sell tech to be a tech company. Is Google a tech company? Were they not a tech company when they developed a sorting algorithm for the web? Were they not a tech company when they started spelling targeted advertising based on that algorithm? Of they were and are.
> The laws the company tests are all about the impact of tech.
This could be said of any large multinational.
BHP is a multinational mining company worth 4x twitter which tests laws around the impact of tech. If they wanted to re-brand would that be tech news ?
Exactly. And when BHP tests laws in ways that are newsworthy people can discuss them here. The disconnect in your logic is hilarious.
Agreed. Elmo is only in this because he wants that dopamine hit of attention that front-page news gets him. It’s why bought Twitter. Getting on the front page, just for a moment is all that matters to him.
Also, it is LONG past time we got over our child-like worship of billionaires. It’s embarrassing to watch.
It’s time to yeet the rich
Seriously. I’m here to learn about tech not about some dumbass playing with daddy’s money.
But my Techno Daddy news?.. No, yeah. Reddit had the same issue. Enough with musking up tech subs.
Y’all know there’s a voting system so people see the kind of posts they would want from a tech sub
Does downvoting actually demote posts here? There’s no karma.
“they would want” or “whatever drives engagement more”?
Yes! Social media gossip is NOT “technology”.
Agreed
Please and thank you.
