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Firefox alternatives comparison - asking for advice/opinion - Lemmy.World
lemmy.worldMeta note : am not sure if this is on topic for this community, please tell me
if it is not. I could not find rules, so I assume it’s okay, but i’ll remove it
if its not. (Also, please consider the info given here with precaution, for they
are only based on people feedback and media report, not any technical
certainty). So, after the recent Mozilla privacy drama, I saw multiple
recommendations of alternative browsers, each one with their pros and cons. I
was trying to get a better understanding of which one was good/bad for which
reasons, and I thought i might share it here so people with more knowledge can
correct my takes. Here is what I could get so far, based mostly on Lemmy
comments and Wikipedia pages. This is aimed at browser that share some of
Firefox values (foss, independency, (maybe) privacy, etc), so I excluded Chrome,
Edge, and others. I’m open to any feedback/infos/browser suggestions to get a
more accurate summary ! | Browser | FOSS | Privacy | Features | Browser Family
[^browserfamily] | Platforms | Notes | |-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-| | Firefox
[https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/] | ✅ | ❌ | ✅ | Firefox | WMLAI | AI
interest | | Brave [https://brave.com/] | ✅ | 🟠[^braveprivacy] | ✅ | Chromium |
WMLAI | Crypto interest[^bravecrypto], bigot CEO[^braveceo] | | Vivaldi
[https://vivaldi.com/] | 🟠[^vivaldifoss] | 🟠[^vivaldiprivacy] | ✅ | Chromium |
WMLAI | Aims to be a better Opera | | Ungoogled Chromium
[https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium] | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ |
Chromium | WMLA | Removes Google tracking and specific components | | Cromite
[https://github.com/uazo/cromite] | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Chromium | WLA | Removes most
Google tracking and keeps some specific components | | DuckDuckGo Browser
[https://duckduckgo.com/app] | ❌ | ❓[^ddgprivacy] | ✅ |
Chromium/Independent[^ddgfamily] | WMAI | | | Zen Browser
[https://zen-browser.app/] | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Firefox | WML | | | Librewolf
[https://librewolf.net/] | ✅ | ✅ | 🟠[^lwfeatures] | Firefox | WML |
[^lwsecurity]| | Waterfox [https://www.waterfox.net/] | ✅ | 🟠[^wfprivacy] | ✅ |
Firefox | WMLA | | | Floorp [https://floorp.app/en] | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Firefox | WML
| | | GNU IceCat [https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/] | ✅ | ❓ | ✅ | Firefox
| WML | Firefox without copyrighted content and with a bit more privacy| | Tor
Browser [https://torproject.org/] | ✅ | ✅ | 🟠[^torfeatures] | Firefox | WMLA |
| | Mullvad Browser [https://mullvad.net/browser] | ✅ | ✅ | ❌[^mullvadfeatures]
| Firefox | WML | Made by the Tor team and Mullvad (VPN providers)| | IronFox
[https://github.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox] | ✅ | ✅ | ❓ | Firefox | A | | | Orion
Browser [https://kagi.com/orion/] | ✅ | ✅ | ✅ | Independent | MAI | In beta,
claims to be top browser in terms of tracker blocking, considers making a
Windows version, AI interest[^\orionai] | | Ladybird [https://ladybird.org/] | ✅
| ❓[^lbprivacy] | 🟠 | Independent | ML | Very early development stage, based on
Ladybird engine, bigot devs[^lbdev] | | Verso
[https://github.com/versotile-org/verso?tab=readme-ov-file] | ✅ |
❓[^versoprivacy] | ❌[^versofeatures] | Independent | WML | Very very early
development stage (you have to compile it yourself for now (early 2025)), based
on Servo engine, written in Rust | >Notes : Privacy is based on Firefox level,
which I considered “bad” for the sake of the comparison. Browser family is the
browser on which each is browser is based, mostly Chromium, Firefox or none. I
first called it Engine and it was unclear. Features is to identify barebones
browsers and how much risk there is to find websites not compatible with those
browsers. Question mark is for when there is a debate or I could not find infos.
Platforms is for the platforms on which the browser is available. To keep it
tight, only one letter per platform : W for Windows, M for macOS, L for
GNU/Linux, A for Android, I for iOS. contributors : [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected] [^browserfamily]:
most browsers are fork of or rely on another browser. The two main “source”
browsers are Chromium and Firefox, resulting here in three main categories :
Chromium-based, Firefox-based and Independent. This is sometimes called the
engine, though technically the engine is different (engines are Gecko (used by
Firefox), Blink (used by Chromium), Webkit (used by Safari and Orion), and also
Ladybird and Servo which are in development). [^braveprivacy]: they have a lot
of optional data collecting, from their Privacy Policy
[https://brave.com/privacy/browser/] [^bravecrypto]: from Brave’s Wikipedia page
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)]. [^braveceo]: from his
personal Wikipedia page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich].
[^vivaldifoss]: some parts are open source [https://vivaldi.com/source/], but
the UI is proprietary
[https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/]
[^vivaldiprivacy]: they collect data for statistics, from their Privacy Policy
[https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/] [^ddgprivacy]: they let Microsoft
trackers active
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo_Private_Browser#Controversies] because
of legal bounds due to their use of Bing. They recognized that but now claim
that these legal bounds are no more and that they started blocking Microsoft
trackers along others. [^ddgfamily]: technically, it seems that DuckDuckGo
browser is not a fork from Chromium, but they use the Chromium engine Blink for
their Windows and Android edition, and the WebKit engine (used by Safari and
most “Independent” labelled browsers) for their macOS and iOS editions,
according to the Wikipedia page
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo_Private_Browser]. [^lwfeatures]: some
websites may be blocked due to stricter privacy setups, according to
LinuxSecurity’s article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreWolf#cite_note-:0-6]
cited on Wikipedia. [^lwsecurity]: some users seemed to fear
[https://lemmy.world/comment/15373725] that having a small team, Librewolf would
be late on security patches, but their FAQ
[https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#how-often-do-you-update-librewolf] seems to say
it’s ok. [^wfprivacy]: from Waterfox’s Wikipedia page
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox#Privacy], linking to Exodus report
stating that android version of Waterfox uses same trackers as Firefox.
[^torfeatures]: some websites might block tor network [^mullvadfeatures]: lemmy
users said it is barebones [https://lemmy.world/comment/15374249] and their FAQ
[https://mullvad.net/en/help/tag/mullvad-browser] says it has little features by
design to prevent fingerprinting. [^\orionai]: from the Kagi Wikipedia page
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagi_(search_engine)#Kagi] and lemmy comments
[https://lemmy.world/comment/15388734]. [^lbprivacy]: could not find infos on
their website or wikipedia page. Probably not that bad, but since it is in early
development, it may evolve in better ways than other. [^lbdev]: from their
github [https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814], considering gender
neutral wording is politics and does not belong in ladybird. [^versoprivacy]:
unknown for the moment since it is in very early development. [^versofeatures]:
meant to be a demonstration of the Servo engine, so quite rough for now (early
2025) but meant to get more and more features as time goes on. Edit 1 : added
Vivaldi, Floorp and Ironfox, clarify ‘Engine dependency’ column, add ‘Platforms’
column, add bigot warning for ladybird.
Edit 2 : added [email protected] table (Tor, Ungoogled chromium, Cromite) and IceCat,
updated info on Vivaldi
Edit 3 : add Orion Browser, corrects lines to group browser together by engine,
added users whose infos I used via edits
Edit 4 : corrected Brave and Opera Privacy rating.
Edit 5 : removed Opera since both Privacy and FOSS would be bad. Updated Vivaldi
Privacy rating.
Edit 6 : changing Engine category to Browser Family and adding explanation.
Edit 7 : added DuckDuckGo Browser and a warning about the reliability of this
summary.
Edit 8 : added link to Orion Browser and corrected Mullvad’s family.
Edit 9 : added Verso.
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