Hogg isn’t trying to shake up the DNC, he’s trying to get anti-gun candidates to win primaries. That’s the end of it. He has no real interest outside that, and when those candidates lose the general election to Republican opponents he will get real quiet all of a sudden.
His plan was to run progressives, progressives that value and are willing to talk about and advance for gun control, which again correct me if I’m wrong, something that Democrats I thought was also for, in those gerrymandered Democratic safe areas so are you implying that Democrats wouldn’t vote for a progressive?
So here’s where I believe you’re being disingenuous.
You point out Beto’s run and his stance on gun control on a national stage. So I find that very disingenuous since we’re not talking a national stage where you’ll need to run in Texas, we’re talking safe Blue states and safe blue areas where yeah, do nothing on gun control Democrats can GTFO and still be a safe seat. Blue no matter who right? We shouldn’t have to wait until they decide to die or indicted to get someone effective and willing to be a actual voice in there.
Hogg’s personal view may very well be fuck all the guns, he’s tweeted as a traumatized by gun violence some anti-2A sentiment, but show me proof he’s all about taking away guns without due process, he’s certainly been behind assault style gun bans to be sure but show me where he’s officially supported Trumps stance. And again, we’re talking about blue states and blue seat. If their candidate can’t survive being scrutinized by their gun control stances, which of course the internet never forgets and they lose, in a blue seat, so be it. Again, you’ve got no proof that these candidates his group are backing are anti-gun extremists and again in a democracy, let them make their case in front of the voters. And again, for the record, saying he’d be right there behind Trump on this is very disingenuous.
And on a personal note, as a self identified more progressive person who happens to own guns and open carries, If I lived in a blue state, in a solidly blue seat, I’d welcome a voice for gun control since we currently have absolutely none of while the other side has extreme voices of no gun control on the other side and having a few people who would actually say, “No, fuck you, we’re going to talk about gun control after a mass shooting because it’s the fucking time to talk about it” would be a welcome voice against the do nothing moderates and I’d take that progressive who will champion other progressive ideals over that shitty do nothing moderate any day. Move that fucking Overton window because it’s gotten to Nazis are okay levels now.
Beto was running against two WILDLY unpopular candidates, Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. A candidate who refused to flap their gums about guns COULD have won EITHER of those races.
I don’t think anti-gun candidates have had much trouble winning Democratic party primaries before now or that there wouldn’t be the votes for some kind of gun control measure in any Democratic congressional majority
Hogg isn’t trying to shake up the DNC, he’s trying to get anti-gun candidates to win primaries. That’s the end of it. He has no real interest outside that, and when those candidates lose the general election to Republican opponents he will get real quiet all of a sudden.
His plan was to run progressives, progressives that value and are willing to talk about and advance for gun control, which again correct me if I’m wrong, something that Democrats I thought was also for, in those gerrymandered Democratic safe areas so are you implying that Democrats wouldn’t vote for a progressive?
The progressive angle is a red herring, he’s only interested in gun control which is a loser of an issue for Democrats. See Beto O’Rourke.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/11/15/texas-beto-orourke-guns-2022/
He says he’s going after “do nothing Democrats” but the unsaid portion is “do nothing on guns Democrats.”
If Trump went back to his “take the guns first, due process second” Hogg would be right there for it.
https://time.com/5184160/trump-guns-due-process/?xid=homepage
“You could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.”
So here’s where I believe you’re being disingenuous.
You point out Beto’s run and his stance on gun control on a national stage. So I find that very disingenuous since we’re not talking a national stage where you’ll need to run in Texas, we’re talking safe Blue states and safe blue areas where yeah, do nothing on gun control Democrats can GTFO and still be a safe seat. Blue no matter who right? We shouldn’t have to wait until they decide to die or indicted to get someone effective and willing to be a actual voice in there.
Hogg’s personal view may very well be fuck all the guns, he’s tweeted as a traumatized by gun violence some anti-2A sentiment, but show me proof he’s all about taking away guns without due process, he’s certainly been behind assault style gun bans to be sure but show me where he’s officially supported Trumps stance. And again, we’re talking about blue states and blue seat. If their candidate can’t survive being scrutinized by their gun control stances, which of course the internet never forgets and they lose, in a blue seat, so be it. Again, you’ve got no proof that these candidates his group are backing are anti-gun extremists and again in a democracy, let them make their case in front of the voters. And again, for the record, saying he’d be right there behind Trump on this is very disingenuous.
And on a personal note, as a self identified more progressive person who happens to own guns and open carries, If I lived in a blue state, in a solidly blue seat, I’d welcome a voice for gun control since we currently have absolutely none of while the other side has extreme voices of no gun control on the other side and having a few people who would actually say, “No, fuck you, we’re going to talk about gun control after a mass shooting because it’s the fucking time to talk about it” would be a welcome voice against the do nothing moderates and I’d take that progressive who will champion other progressive ideals over that shitty do nothing moderate any day. Move that fucking Overton window because it’s gotten to Nazis are okay levels now.
Beto wasn’t running on a national stage, he got his ass kicked for Texas Senator and Governor.
Oh for fucks sake…
Okay, let’s get this right out of the way, congrats on pointing out this article was him running for governor in Texas, the bluest of states.
Texas, not a blue state.
Governor, not a safe seat or any seat at all.
Senate, not a safe blue seat.
Now show me where Hogg is planning on running a progressive, anti-2A extremist in Texas or any other red states with a non-safe blue seat.
ETA, just sad with the continuing to strawman instead of debating about the actual issue OP brought up.
Beto was running against two WILDLY unpopular candidates, Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott. A candidate who refused to flap their gums about guns COULD have won EITHER of those races.
He’s trying to get younger candidates in to replace the fossils who can barely check a ballot box with their arthritic, cancer-ridden fingers.
Like Bernie Sanders?
Bernie, as usual, is the exception. And you know it.
What I know is he’s eighty-three.
I don’t think anti-gun candidates have had much trouble winning Democratic party primaries before now or that there wouldn’t be the votes for some kind of gun control measure in any Democratic congressional majority