I’m more skeptical of this than dumbass repubs were who latched onto a narrative that fit their desires. I actually want a lot of proof. I won’t consider this to be serious until there are multiple corroborations by sources that I recognize and trust. None of them will be the MyPillow crackhead.
Well, votes misaligning beyond statistical possibility in one “category” of counties, with absolutely no statistical anomalies in another “category” of counties is irrefutable proof, mathematically, that something is wrong.
Ex: if specific counties that use a particular tool have a massive mismatch between presidential voting and senate voting, but there is absolutely no spread in similar-politically counties that use different election tools, then the only possible explanation is that the tools affected the results (i.e. “fraud”).
I believe that’s the evidence, from what I understand.
Now, there are people coming forward in large enough groups saying they all voted for a particular candidate in total numbers of people larger than the were total votes recorded t that candidate at that polling station, including reports of 0 votes for Kamela with voters reporting she wasn’t on the ballot for them. So that might give a new “lever” for investigation.
Regardless of election fraud, though, the election results are already certified; at this point, Trump is president, and even definitive proof of fraud won’t change that. What it could change, if the current Republican authoritarian government allows it (lol), is oversight and regulations at future elections.
Or, perhaps, the blatant corruption will lead to states seceding from the union.
American hegemony and global dominance is over, but how it falls apart is yet to be determined.
There was a recording of Trump talking about how certain states voting systems were “on track”. It was pretty obvious he was talking about rigging the electronic voting.
Where did that go now?
I would exercise caution at this stage until further investigation is conducted
“Even more shocking: Donald Trump received 750,000 more votes than Republican Senate candidates in these districts.” WTF!?!? I recall Krasnov saying he did not need the Pennsylvania votes to win. I’m certain there are people in the NSA, CIA and FBI that know exactly WTF happened.
So did Gore, with physical ballots to prove it.
Even if this is a true and accurate report it doesn’t matter. You’re relying on private companies to do investigations when you should have an independent electoral board that runs this shit.
We’re watching the collapse of an empire in real time. Will be a fun few decades I think.
(Edit: also, this article is so loaded with eye rolling commentary - like are we really using tweets from Elon as evidence of election fraud? Jesus Christ it sounds like Dem political conspiracy theories. The entire world just did another collective cringe)
like are we really using tweets from Elon as evidence of election fraud?
He would have 1st account of rigging it. After all, he knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers
Trump says a lot of shit.
The investigation was done by a private content mill, which makes the research a bit questionable given their interests - lots of potential for cherrypicking examples and so on. There aren’t that many states mentioned in the article, but those that are were either blue already, or deeply-entrenched red states that wouldn’t have made a difference at all in the final result even if there was an upset.
Also - would literally anything come out of this? Dems don’t even have the spine to oppose monarchies (not making this shit up, look at the “few notes” section) let alone confront an active, powerful administration in a meaningful way.
I keep seeing headlines and links to substacks regarding this particular theory and while there’s some smoke - I remain unconvinced.
The timing of Leo’s purchase of that company is suspect. Pushing an uncertified update is suspect. The oddities in the numbers are suspect.
But no one has connected the dots in a satisfying way and that no one had pointed to what steps could be taken to verify suspicions. It feels half-baked. I would love to try and believe that more Americans voted for Kamala, but only for a “faith in humanity” kind of way. Proving widespread fraud feels a long way off.
I think by this point, anyone who has the ability to see anomalies in numbers easily isn’t surprised.
The real problem becomes: “now what?”
The only remaining thing I can think of that would peacefully work is a general strike. Make the billionaires suffer as we have.
According to New York Times reporting, on October 5—just before Starlink’s DTC activation—Musk texted a confidant:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.”
Then, an hour later:
“This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the
What’s missing from this report is that Peter thiel bought the parent company that owns pro v and v. The article mentions musk but nothing about this.
We ought to leverage it when these wingnuts get something right. MTG and Tucker on war has been all over the front page today. Noted dipshit Mike Lindell just got his ass handed to him in a defamation suit but promises he ‘will not stop talking until we don’t have voting machines in this country.’ I’m OK with this. These machines are bullshit, any software guy will tell you that. XKCD has told us that.
I wanted her to win so desperately, but these headlines just hurt honestly.
I guess maybe if there was irrefutable evidence that she won it might restore a tiny bit of my faith in humanity.
… but Trump is supreme leader eternal now, and any day now WW3 is going to start. “Who actually won” isn’t very important.
The truth is always important.
Is it though? In a practical sense? I don’t think it’s going to change anyone’s day to day.
Ww3 started when russia invaded ukraine It’s a slow one this time.
I feel this too. War looks so different these days, but with all the bullshit going on with israel too, its hard to argue that we aren’t already in the early stages of a truly global conflict.
It would restore some of my faith that my fellow Americans don’t suck as much as I currently think they do. Y’know, before we all get rounded up to die in camps together.
Supreme leader eternal? There’s a better than even chance that he strokes out sometime in the next 43 months. He deliberately sabotages anyone who could take his place, so there’s no viable heir to hold MAGA together once he’s gone.
It’s a reference to dictatorships where whatever leader remains so in perpetuity even after death. I can’t remember for sure but I suspect this is the case in DPRK.
And nothing will come of it.
So many propagandists in this thread.
Congrats mods and admins, you lost the bot war
Republicans had headlines like this when Biden won. This is a bad look for democrats if they call foul the same way when they lose. There’s been lots of analysis on the difference in the polls and outcome. From my perspective, identity politics has created an atmosphere where having an opinion that is different from the allowed one gets you removed from sites or ostracized. In that same way it disincentivizes people to offer their real thoughts in polls. Say what you will, but I think the over-reach on trans and racism agendas (you’re x-phobic if you don’t completely validate what I personally think or project into you) meant that plenty of people decided to pick trump while quietly saying nothing or the opposite, since those topics are cancelable offenses in the public space.
I really hope this doesn’t go the route of conspiracy theories and not actually realizing that all the Dems need to do is focus on being stable and not playing identity politics at the legal level. I’m already stuck with trump for 4 years. I don’t need it for longer because they lean to hard on extremist points since they know they get a forever base from that.
Ah yes, the “won’t somebody think of the poor racists” argument for making Democrats even more conservative. No thanks, I’d prefer progressive Democrats. You should lose your job, social circle, and societal status if you’re a bigoted piece of trash.
Unfortunately you just proved the point by straw manning racism. I didn’t say poor racists. But the fact that any opinion that might say “hey all of this doesn’t seem relevant or like over-reach” is classified as racist by you and is your comfortable argument to shut people down, that is the sentiment I feel like creates a public “Kamala is winning” but private “I’m so sick of being railroaded over any nuance or difference in opinion” difference that you see between polls and actions.
If someone is really sick of everyone calling them a racist, maybe the problem is actually them being a racist. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been called a racist in my nearly four decades of life, and every time it was by a conservative claiming I was being racist against white people. (I am a white man.) I am extremely opinionated and very open about my opinions. So the problem seems not to be that everyone with a loud opinion is labeled a racist.
And yes, you were literally talking about racists not feeling able to express their opinions without consequences. I don’t view that as a problem. There should be consequences for expressing a racist opinion.
It is rather telling though that nowhere in my comment did I claim that you are racist, but that’s how you interpreted it.
Didn’t say I thought you thought I was racist. I said you just decided anyone I pointed out that may have been tired of ism cries was racist (and that was your statement).
Here’s a great real life example. Some of the worst coworkers I’ve had were DEI hires and they stayed on for 6 months of lost productivity because the company had to get every duck in a row because the expectation was that lawsuits would come. So I get 2x workload for someone we shouldn’t have hired and couldn’t fire. I’ve also had great coworkers who were hired regardless of race or other ism. I am not a fan of blanket statements that DEI just solves problems because it has actually affected my ability to keep work life balance drastically in the past. So when I say this, if your reaction is that I’m a racist/homophobe/etc. for expressing legitimate problems, then that reveals the same problem I’m pointing out. And if not, then maybe I need to reevaluate the sentiment that I have seen among people towards Democrats at the moment (which is, it isn’t worth having such discussions because they’ll just be called some ism despite legitimate experiences that should lead to a real problem solving discussion).
That’s a very good example of confirmation bias. I’m not saying that those workers weren’t a problem, but I am definitely saying you pointing out that they were “DEI hires” is confirmation of existing biases.
If you hired bad workers, that’s the company’s fault. DEI doesn’t mean “hire any minority person”. DEI means don’t skip hiring someone because they’re a minority. It means when you find a qualified candidate, you should hire them, even if they’re black or a woman, for example. I’m sorry that your company seemed to misunderstand this. It’s a pretty common misconception, because conservatives want people to believe that DEI initiatives are something that they’re not. They want white men to believe that DEI initiatives are “taking away their jobs”.
And just because someone is a white straight cis man doesn’t mean they’ll be a good worker. The majority of shitty workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men. That’s probably because the majority of workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men, and that’s how statistics works.
