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Conservatives want to bring us back to the first one, because “it’s naive childishness to even pretend people could be equal”.
Both liberal and conservatives benefit from inequality. Conservatives are just more vocal about it.
I appreciate the effort, but it is unrealistic to expect an old tree to straighten.
So you’re saying you need to start updating systems now, even though you won’t see the results for 10-30 years?
You’re getting it!
A better illustration:
Inclusion at the end is fucking stupid. A baseball game where random people are playing is not the same thing as a pro game people are watching. Someone who has one arm trying to hit a major league pitch is going to be completely destroyed and it won’t be fun for anyone. This naive and stupid understanding of inclusion is what makes random morons think they’re experts on vaccines despit what the elite scientists think because they watched a video on YouTube. Not everyone can do everything, and they shouldn’t be expected to. People have different skills and strengths and the rest of the meme acknowledges that and then at the end it just becomes completely stupid. You can even tell that some moron, probably an HR drone, tacked this on at the end and probably felt smug about going above and beyond the original comic without actually understanding what it was saying.
I think the fence also likely exists for a reason, so removing the fence isn’t a good example of justice. Rather, changing the viewing area to be above the fence would be a better example.
Or swap the opaque fence for a transparent fence (glass, chain link, netting, etc)
I think you’re taking this too literally. It’s a good representation of the words and their meanings. Obviously it does not accurately portray a baseball game. It’s not trying to. It’s an analogy.
The analogy sucks ass. Everyone getting to watch the baseball game unimpeded is inclusion, some lazy dumbass just wanted to one up the original comic and didn’t think it through.
That’s okay, feel free to make the tree as gay as possible
Blue shirt keeps doing sus hand gesture in every panel idk if we should let him have any apples
Little dude just trying to reach his apples 🤣
He is struggling to reach them. You can learn more from his book “My Struggle”. Once a best-seller in Germany
Why does the right-wing kid not just come over to the left-wing?
Why is there a question mark on ‘equality’?
I am assuming that it is because people see “equality” as the epitome of human fairness, so it is questioning that.
Sounds like it’s saying “or maybe this isn’t real equality?”, which is very counter to what I assume is its intended message, an attempt to convince the reader that equality isn’t the epitome of human fairness.
Well, equality is sometimes referred to in the vain of “everyone is equal” rather than “everyone is treated equal”. I think that might be what it’s saying. When the social idea of equality first emerged, I cannot imagine even for a second that they were like “yeah, everyone should be given exactly the same things regardless of their personal situation”, because nobody striving for an idea LIKE equality would come to that resolution. Like, equity is just what equality should have been in the first place.
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Communism will never exist ,it’s utopia ,it becoming authoritarianism very quickly.We need other real alternatives to what we have now
Often repeated, but never much nuance or substance.
Marxism is anti-utopian, it’s based on analyzing how societies evolve over time. What is deemed “authoritarianism” is the need for the proletariat to exert its control over the bourgeoisie, rather than the reverse, yet bourgeois rule is more authoritarian.
I recommend you don’t get your information about communism solely from devout anti-communists
I lived in post sovier counties with USSR time ages,so I know pretty well what it was actually.It’s awful and never should happen again,but I didn’t say that I like capitalism too they both authoritarianism in extreme limits
“i lived in a formerly socialist place that had been looted by capital, therefore communism is bad”
The majority of people who lived in the Soviet Union want it back. Your complaints about socialism don’t make any sense, either.
Sounds like you’re the one who expects utopia
I guess it will never exist for you then
But it will exist for me. My favorite communism is extra authoritarian. I love having a state to rely on. A state that fights against evil for me, a state that provides me with what I need, a state that gives me a meaningful job.
system of government and system of economy are two different things though. They influence each other, but communism isn’t and wasn’t causing authoritarianism. You can get authoritarianism in every type of economy, as well as you can have communism combined with every type of government.
This isn’t quite correct. Governance and economy are too interlinked to be considered distinct, systems aren’t recipes picked out on a page but a material, physical thing. Further, “authoritarianism” isn’t really a thing in and of itself, it just describes the phenomenon where one class oppresses others. In Socialism, the proletariat oppresses the bourgeousie, in Capitalism the bourgeoisie oppresses the proletariat.
How is the proletariat oppressing a non existent class? Under socialism, wouldn’t everyone be considered proletariat?
Good questions!
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Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism. Public ownership becomes the principle aspect of the economy, not private. However, classes remain, the commodity form remains in earlier phases of socialism, and so does the state.
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In communism, after all classes are abolished, there won’t be a proletariat either. Proletarians are people that sell their labor-power as their sole commodity, in communism wage-labor as the capitalist conception no longer exists. Without a bourgeoisie, there can be no proletariat.
I guess I understand that, but separately I take issue with the use of the word oppression? The bourgeoisie cannot be oppressed, really. If they were ever in a position to be oppressed, they would no longer be considered bourgeoisie. No? But yeah the rest of what you’re saying makes sense.
Oppression by the state is what I mean. The bourgeoisie are specifically that class that earns its income through the M-C-M’ circuit of capitalist production. This class will still exist in socialism, it existed in limited factors in the Soviet Union, exists in the modern PRC, Cuba, etc. However, the existence of private property does not mean the bourgeoisie has control of the state. What matters is which class controls the principle aspects of the economy, the large firms and key industries. In the PRC, for example, those are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, even if there exists a bourgeoisie, and as a consequence the bourgeoisie is subordinate to the state and not above it.
But, and maybe this is a semantics argument then, I don’t think we are in agreement by what oppression means. I’m just using the google definition. Are you using a different definition that makes more sense in the context of theory/academic circles? I am a layman, after all
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This echoes my concerns every time someone (especially under the age of about 40, especially American) praises “communism” (as if it were one thing) with some kind of absolute adoration.
In this case, OP: how did that justice work for the political dissidents sent to gulags?
The vast majority of people sent to prison by the soviets were criminals, thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. The political prisoners were largely members of the White Army, fascists, monarchists, or were active terrorists against society. For a country that went through a revolution, resistance from the older owning classes is expected, other revolutions were similar in use of force against the monarchy and other ruling classes.
I mean also, just look at the conditions faced by prisoners in e.g. the US, not to mention the sheer number of them. Mass incarceration is not unique to communist states!
