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            Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?

            Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

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              I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.

              It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.

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                1 year ago

                I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.

                They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.

                I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.

            • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              They’re what the Soviet Union referred to as “useful idiots”. They parrot Russian propaganda because they like the aesthetics. They aren’t all Russians themselves. In fact, I would be willing to bet most aren’t.

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      8 months ago

      I’m having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.

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      1 year ago

      All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations… uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m’lady

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    1 year ago

    Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always “look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!”.

    Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.

    He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.

    Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.

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      I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.

      I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that’s as bad as Reddit’s corporatism.

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        My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.

        I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.

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          They’re conservatives. Hierarchy is the only way they decide what’s real. It’s the same tribalist thinking that produced the Lady Hope hoax - saying Darwin recanted on his deathbed, as if that would cancel out the last 150 years of evolutionary biology. They genuinely do not understand science or philosophy, because they don’t believe arguments can be evaluated, except in terms of interpersonal trust.

          So in their minds - if Marx was wrong, about anything, then the whole business might as well be made-up. It is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. They have to be lesser. They must be undeserving of their station, because their station is the only reason they get to decide what is true.

          In this worldview, it is your job to make whatever mouth noises justify that mutable truth. I say “your job” because this is all they think you’re doing. This is all they think there is. There is no other force in their moral universe. This is quite possibly the human brain’s default behavior, and it is not fragile.

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    2 years ago

    Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?

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    Recently had someone argue Palestine isn’t genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.

    Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.

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    2 years ago

    Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that’s Dessalines? Genuine question…

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    11 months ago

    I’ve got no loyalty at all to communism or marxism. But I do have a loyalty to honesty, and I have to object. I don’t see a denial of the Massacre in the screenshotted comment. I see a characterization of it as some kind of US-led attack.

    They aren’t saying anything like “that didn’t happen” or “people didn’t die”. Maybe they say it elsewhere, but not here.

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      11 months ago

      Bingo. There’s a difference between saying it didn’t happen and “it happened but it was good”. I would say later is worse. But pretending they are saying something they clearly are not isn’t good