Are we really still doing this?
Honestly it seems like liberals hate their own base more than the reactionaries they are supposedly the opposition to
Actually that tracks, since most of the DNC has been flirting with reactionary commentators and billionaires while actively criticizing the one part of their party actually building momentum
No. It’s the wedge throwing SatansMaggotyCumFart’s post. They love dividing the left.
It’s just good praxis when you divide the electorate and usher in a fascist regime that will kill millions, but ‘divisive’ when you criticize that?
I feel sorry for Americans. The best of the 2 viable parties is a party keen on supplying a genocide, and somehow if you vote 3rd party you’re more responsible than said genocide suppliers, even worse republicans, and non-voters. That’s wild.
The uncomfortable reality is that you aren’t gonna solve your country’s problems in the voting booths. Good luck to you, genuinely.
The uncomfortable reality is that you aren’t gonna solve your country’s problems in the voting booths
Until the majority of liberals in our country realize this, it’s doubtful our problems will be solved at all
Keep trashing them, that will bring em over.
Well. Facts didn’t work. Pleading with them didn’t work. Now we all have to suffer because of their stupidity.
Yeah, I’m moving on to calling them fucking idiots.
I’ve spent countless hours trying to logically explain basic concepts to conservatives and 3rd party voters, some of whom are my actual friends and family, so I treat them with respect when I speak to them.
Trust me when I say you are NOT going to convert them.
The only hope is catching people with logic and facts when they’re young and first developing their political opinions.
Our economy is now tanking because of these fools. Yet another economic crisis in my lifetime. Fuck them. I’m sick of their pathetic, stupid shit.
Our economy is now tanking because of these fools
Funny how these accusations were relatively absent for the last three months while visa and green card holders were shipped off to labor camps in El Salvador, but as soon as Trump does some shit to tank the economy, that’s when the knives come out
Liberals will defend the same problematic capital structures as republicans - change my mind.
Someone: “I voted for what I belive in, which one of course should be able to do in a well functioning democracy”
Lemmy: “Nooooo you gotta vote for this one and only option, it’s the only way to protect our democracy (???)”
Guys the third party voters is not the problem, the two party system is. Come on. Voting third party or is a valid and important statement. Voting major party is legitimising an undemocratic system.
Riot against your government on the streets. That’s where you make the big difference - not in the voting booth.
This is so true, especially since the Democatic party does the same things the GOP does, just a little more civil. The Biden admin sent bombs to Israel, persecuted striking workers and refused to codify Roe vs. Wade (amongst a ton of other things). Both parties are bought by billionaires and act in their interest, I don’t get how anyone could justify voting dems over third party
Obviously the solution is for more people to vote third party
Not without an elimination of FPTP ya don’t.
Mexico & Sheinbaum prove that this is not true
Pointless statements from liberals who are too busy trying to find someone to blame to do anything useful about the galloping fascism in their midst.
It’s wild that they’re angry at people for not wanting to be complicit w a genocide rather than the people who forced us to choose between 2 genociders or even the genociders themselves.
Yeah. its like there were two choices and everything that has happened so far was predicted over and over and STILL people voted for a lotto win vs stopping the worst case. Given the international meddling, it makes the clueless gits more hapless.
there were more than two choices and everyone predicted that repeatedly choosing the lesser evil will lead to this and here we are.
There are not more than two choices in a FPTP voting system.
there are third parties and independents and mexico & sheinbaum prove are viable once you stop drinking the 2-party kool aide
Mexico is not a purely FPTP system; there are elements of ranked choice at the national level for their legislature. That makes it possible for 3rd parties to build a power base an support sufficient to win the presidency, which is a FPTP election.
Unless and until there is election reform to allow ranked-choice voting–which Repubs and Dems will both oppose, and which is illegal in some states–you can not realistically have 3rd parties winning. Unless and until 3rd parties build up their power by winning at state and local elections, they will not win national offices. Right now, 3rd parties have no foundation of power that they can use to win national elections.
The closest the US has come in the last one hundred years to a 3rd party presidential win was H. Ross Perot, over 30 years ago. Before that, you have to look at Theodore Roosevelt’s Bull Moose party, right around the time of the Great War.
nor is the united states a purely fptp system as evidenced by examples like main, alaska and nebraska.
add to that states like georgia’s, mississippi’s, & louisiana’s runoff elections; non-partisan primaries in california and washington; and the senate switching away from state legislature appointment in the 20th century means that fptp is as much a willful choice as drinking the 2-party kool aide.
sheinbaum proves that once you stop drinking that kool aide, things start to get better and the only thing holding us back is the shared false belief that doing so is nonviable.
