Is that what the kids are calling a discussion these days? As interesting as it’s been seeing you show your whole ass, I’m gonna ask you to disengage since you are unwilling to have a productive discussion.

Right, so a non answer again. You sure love not answering questions.

you certainly haven’t

What comment did I miss that provides clarification on your reasoning behind some episodes being racist meaning that the cartoon is not appropriate? Your silence is deafening.

you should just try asking

Do you not have eyes?

you got your first answer last time by asking a direct question

I asked that exact question 3 times, and it’s structurally identical to every other time I asked “so is xyz the problem that you have with using this cartoon?”, so either you just forgot to have a stick up your ass about how people ask questions or you’re just being difficult.

for some reason you’re pretending not to see them.

I literally quoted every time you said something about your thoughts on this issue, but you already handwaved that away with:

sure, why not keep guessing instead of asking directly

What do you want me to do? Look at your previous messages? I did and you accused me of guessing.

Please, let me know whether I’ve missed a relevant comment that you made that clarifies this:

the racism and subsequent cultural insensitivity is explained very clearly

bugs Bunny cartoons are historically, factually racist

it sounds like you do understand that cartoon is racist

that super racist cartoon

Hmm well your lack of any substantive answer leaves me no option but to guess again - it’s definitely your imperative if you want to be intentionally obtuse though. You shouldn’t be surprised when people don’t receive you well.

If the racist bugs bunny episodes isn’t what makes Bugs Bunny as a whole problematic to use in a meme, then what is the reason in the first place to complain that Bugs Bunny is racist and shouldn’t be used? Again I go back to the fact that the only things you have mentioned is the fact that it’s racist and that it shouldn’t be used. I’m still looking for an answer to how exactly the two are connected, if you’d be so kind to enlighten me :)

Third time’s the charm?

is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic?

“I’m asking what your reasoning is beyond there being some racist episodes,”

no you are not.

This is literally a false accusation and a misinterpretation of my comment, literally what you are accusing me of. Plus, I literally asked you exactly what your reasoning is:

Is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic?

you can always be brave and ask directly

Bro, is this not direct enough for you?

I have been attempting over the course of this entire discussion to get you to clarify anything deeper than that, such as how you draw the connection between some episodes being racist and the entire character being inappropriate for any use

Again you are dodging answering by throwing accusations instead of doing the charitable thing and just clarifying yourself.

my reasoning is very explicit, specific and publicly available above

Let me try to find your reasoning. Literally the last comment you made that has any substance was 6 comments ago:

the racism and subsequent cultural insensitivity is explained very clearly

bugs Bunny cartoons are historically, factually racist

it sounds like you do understand that cartoon is racist

that super racist cartoon

So I see:

1. Bugs bunny is racist and insensitive because some of the episodes are racist
2. Therefore we should not use it

I have re-read every comment you have made, including the 6 prior ones that provide no additional substance, and I see no mention of what your threshold is for determining that the entire character or cartoon is racist or how you reason that some episodes taints the entire franchise.

your reading comprehension and fear of asking direct questions is your problem

Do I really need to re-include again the list of very direct questions I’ve asked so far which you have been dodging?

this is the proper way to deal with leading questions based on false fabrications

I think your first mistake is assuming that a question is an accusation. Have you never heard of re-stating someone else’s opinion to ask if you understand it? You have some serious persecution complex if simply asking if your view is xyz based on my best attempt to read and understand your comments is viewed as an attack.

if you want to ask a serious, direct question, try it

Again, you completely ignored the serious and direct question I just asked:

is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic?

In case you need some reading comprehension help, this is what a question looks like.

no reason to assume or extrapolate in order to ask if you understand correctly

Sure, but I’m not asking if I understand your conclusion correctly, that’s very clear that you find Bugs Bunny problematic. I’m asking what your reasoning is to connect some racist episodes to the whole character / cartoon being a problem, yet you refuse to give it, so I have to resort to guessing and asking you if I’m correct. You can attack me all you want for trying to figure out what your reasoning is but it really comes off poorly when you are the one who is hiding the reasoning and then accusing anyone who is trying to figure it out of fabricating things. That’s exactly why I asked if I understood correctly very directly like so:

When you reply to them saying they aren’t sure how you could take this frame as racist by responding with “yes you are”, are you not saying that “you know how this frame is racist” and therefore stating that you believe this frame is racist?

Yet you gave no response.

extra steps so that you can repeat your false assumptions and extrapolations

Again, you call my attempts to clarify your position “false accusations and extrapolations”, yet never actually set the record straight.

you are repeating a false accusation so that your false questions look valid

Is asking you how “if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist” is making a false accusation and not asking a genuine question for further explanation, then I don’t know what to tell you my guy.

my reasoning is very clearly laid out in the above comments

All I’ve gathered so far is that you believe that because some Bugs Bunny episodes are racist, it should not be used anywhere. I have been attempting over the course of this entire discussion to get you to clarify anything deeper than that, such as how you draw the connection between some episodes being racist and the entire character being inappropriate for any use, but every attempt I have made to get you to add more details behind your thought process has been basically met with “you should already understand my position” and every attempt to propose a plausible reasoning for you to either agree or correct me on has been met with “you are maliciously assuming my position which I will not clarify beyond my initial position of Bugs Bunny being racist and this use being problematic”.

if there is something you genuinely don’t understand directly from my comments, you can directly ask about those comments you don’t understand without any assumptions or fabrications

That is exactly what I have been doing. Are you genuinely saying that these statements appear to you to be malicious assumptions and fabrications and not attempts to directly ask you about things I don’t understand? You have not responded to a single one with an actual clarification aside from accusing me of making false accusations without actually setting me correct.

If you do not believe this specific frame is racist but it’s solely the problematic episodes that make this use problematic, you can just say so

It sounds like I initially misunderstood you to be saying that you believed this specific image was racist

are you not saying that “you know how this frame is racist” and therefore stating that you believe this frame is racist?

If you didn’t mean that when the other commenter interpreted you as saying that, then you missed your opportunity to make yourself clear

So your only complaint is that bugs bunny as a whole is racist and that makes the meme racist?

you really gave the impression that you thought something contained in the image was racist

I’ll try this again

stop making up things I didn’t say, … and then ask a question

My question for you is: is your complaint that the existence of some racist Bugs Bunny episodes makes any usage of the Bugs Bunny character problematic? I am not assuming or fabricating this, I am asking you if this is the correct interpretation of your complaints. If you can’t give a straight answer then there is no way I can provide a response.

“…trying to be charitable…”

no you are not

This is pretty uncharitable tbh.

and then you literally repeat your false assumption and extrapolation

I’m literally making the extrapolation in order to ask you if I understand correctly - literally so that you have the opportunity to correct my interpretation of your position before I get too far into responding - yet you seem extremely unwilling to engage with it besides saying that I am still misunderstanding you.

It sounds like I initially misunderstood you to be saying that you believed this specific image was racist - it would have been a lot faster for you to just say that I interpreted your comment wrong instead of accusing me of malice and avoiding any clarification that could tell me what part of my assumption was wrong.

If you do not believe this specific frame is racist but it’s solely the problematic episodes that make this use problematic, you can just say so. There is nothing wrong with being misunderstood, that’s not on you and any fair person wouldn’t hold that against you. But if you never actually clarify then there can be no discussion. Unless you prefer that people continue to misunderstand you. Genuinely trying to be charitable here by trying to hear out your reasoning, but it feels impossible to actually discuss anything when any every attempt to understand what the other side is met with “you are being obtuse and/or deliberately misunderstanding and all I will say is keep reading my existing comments”. That gets us nowhere, and I honestly think you would have been better received in this comments section if you weren’t so defensive.

Since you seem to think I am pretending to misunderstand you, I’ll lay it out nice and simple and ask yet again for you to correct me where I am assuming wrong. Let’s break it down:

“I’m not sure how this frame could be taken that way”

yes, you are:

“Bugs Bunny has plenty of [racism] in other cartoons”

it sounds like you do understand that cartoon is racist. you said it.

When you reply to them saying they aren’t sure how you could take this frame as racist by responding with “yes you are”, are you not saying that “you know how this frame is racist” and therefore stating that you believe this frame is racist?

I did read that part too :) however it doesn’t logically follow that if you recognize that some episodes are racist that this makes this frame also racist. That is the logical leap you have yet to explain.

It seems you are much more interested in accusing others of making assumptions than you are at actually clearing up any misunderstandings in what you are saying - which I don’t think I’m particularly unjustified in saying is a self inflicted problem.

You know you can actually just reply with “Hi, I didn’t actually mean that but here’s how I am considering this specific frame as racist” instead of getting all aggro. You know you have an actual chance of communicating your point when people ask you to clarify - yet instead you seem all to eager to throw that away. You’re really shooting yourself in the foot in this discussion.

read my comment if you don’t understand

I read:

“I’m not sure how this frame could be taken that way”

yes, you are

Which tells me that you do believe that this frame is racist. If you didn’t mean that when the other commenter interpreted you as saying that, then you missed your opportunity to make yourself clear.

Regardless, I don’t think a cartoon character having some racist episodes is equivalent to the character itself being racist, and I definitely don’t think it means that character shouldn’t be used for anything. It seems like you don’t make that distinction (again, here’s an opportunity to clarify your position if that is inaccurate).

none of your comment is related to what I or the other commenters have posted.

Maybe being more specific about your complaints would help, instead of going with “you know why it’s racist”. Also you specifically quoted the question of how this specific frame was racist with “you know how”, so you really gave the impression that you thought something contained in the image was racist.

as I noted and OP agreed, bugs Bunny cartoons are historically, factually racist.

So your only complaint is that bugs bunny as a whole is racist and that makes the meme racist? That’s your issue?

And ml has been my instance of choice since before shitjustworks and world existed. Not sure what your point is. Does your accusation apply to world, cafe, and ee considering people from all of those instances also seem to agree or do you just have beef with ml?

You seem to have skipped over actually explaining how this meme is racist… Afaik it’s just one of those exaggerated stretched frames from animation used to animate motion which is why it looks funny. The scene of the cartoon has nothing to do with race, and could just as easily be replaced with any other exaggerated cartoon frame.

If your sole complaint is the addition of the hammer & sickle, then no amount of substituting of bugs bunny with other cartoons will make a difference.

I think saying “don’t blame me because I voted for trump” when voting for Trump is exactly why they should be blamed.

Yeah I thought odometer fraud was like a serious thing, I wonder if it applies here.

*Always has bean

It seems like you can’t add to playlists in the new app.

The other servers do cache the content for some time yes, but if your server is based in a country not friendly to your posts then you are vulnerable to takedowns as you say and you could be inconvenienced by having the admins of your server delete your account or something.

The benefit I’m saying we have in the fediverse is that you can pick a server in a politically safe area (ie outside Turkey in this case), so they are less likely to comply, especially if they are small or don’t care about being blocked by that country (that’s usually the only thing they can do unless you have an office or staff there that can be arrested - less likely to be the case if your server is run by some dude in another country).

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