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  • designated uyghurs are allowed to practice there culture occasionally in front of cameras so that China can deny the uyghur cultural genocide.

    you are naturally going to find photos and videos of uyghur “cukture” the CCP records and brosdcasts and you are not going to find ubiquitous evidence of the detention camps, forced sterilization or other atrocities the CCP does not record and broadcast.

    Suuuure buddy, every piece of evidence against your narrative is fake and fabricated. Every picture of the earth from space was photoshoped by NASA with fisheye lenses and… Oh, wait, it’s flat earther conspiracy theorists who say that, that’s not you. Sorry, your arguments look so similar I got confused.

    More seriously though, I wasn’t even talking about pictures and videos from Chines medias. When I wrote that I was thinking of the Shit-ton of pictures and videos taken and posted by tourists who have strictly nothing to do with the Chinese communist party. That’s an other question I’ve never seen any of you try to answer by the way: if China is trying to do a genocide there and don’t want the world to know about it, how come tourists, both international and Chinese, can freely go to Xinjiang?

    “why can i find…palestinian…”

    because Palestine is a loudly violent genocide.

    different from the quietly violent uyghur cultural genocide.

    Explain to me how it’s possible to mass arrest a population of millions of peoples equipped with information age communication tech and have no leaks, no massive influx of refugees fleeing to neighboring countries, no tech-savi peoples managing to get information and evidence out despite the government restrictions, not a single official out of the hundreds of thousands needed for an endeavor that size deciding “that’s kinda messed up actually” and intentionally leaking information to someone oversee, no nothing.

    two big reasons there aren’t videos and photos:

    1)there simply aren’t the witnesses and phones you believe there are.

    Do you think Xinjiang is a giant barren fucking plain or something? There are massive cities there, with millions of inhabitants, the majority of whom do have phones. And I mean, sure, no one would build their extermination camps near a big city, but what of the “genocided” population living in the city? Are we supposed to believe that no one out of the millions Uyghurs living in Urumqi are noticing their families, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc disappearing one by one or seen the Chinese cops round up peoples? Or are you arguing that this “genocide” is happening only in the countryside and small towns and that the big cities are spared for fear of word getting out?

    1)it is illegal for detainees to take their phones into the re-education camps and for a Chinese citizens to take photos and videos of any government facility.

    Show me the law saying that.

    No really, go on, show me the piece of legislation in Chinese law that say it’s illegal. If you can’t, why should I, or anyone, believe you?

    xinjiang is already a remote province and the detention camps are not in the middle of the cities.

    Refer to my point above about how there should obviously still be witnesses and video/photo evidence despite that.

    the CCP has access into every piece of data going in and out of the country.

    Chinese people generally don’t use the Western apps you seem familiar with anyway, as those media sharing apps are blocked in China, but even if they did, every photo, every video, every blog about the uyghur genocide and all other non-approved CCP topics gets filtered and blocked before being posted within the country and especially before leaving the country.

    This control over their online space isn’t magic you marvel brained amoeba. It’s a team of certainly computer assisted but still very much humans moderators and administrators monitoring a user-base of over a fucking billion users, just by sheer number, there have to be leaks and oversights, even without mentioning any tech-savi enough peoples to find ways around it. And since we’re on the subject of getting info out, how about the Chinese tourists visiting other countries and therefor having plenty of time to access a non CPC monitored connection? What about the Chinese diaspora?

    By the way, Chinese peoples can use VPNs to connect to other countries and no, contrary to what you might have been told, it isn’t illegal to do so (if you want to argue that it is I once again ask that you provide the relevant piece of legislation), you just don’t see them because, well, their primary language is Chinese so they will primarily interact with content and sites in Chinese.


  • If that’s the case, why are Uyghurs freely practicing their culture (you can very easily find tons of videos and pictures of them doing so, look it up coward)? Why can I in few seconds find hundreds of pictures of what is happening to the Palestinian peoples despite Israel’s best (more like worst) effort to censor it and yet you peoples who are amendment that the Uyghurs are being genocided have no, not even one unambiguous picture of it, despite there being millions of witnesses and about as many smartphones that could at any moment take pictures and videos and post them wherever?










  • Almost all pieces ever written about the “Uyghur genocide” go back to this one “bad dude” Adrian Zenz if you follow the chain of sources back to their origins. And both of the articles you liked have him as source, not just one.

    The reason it’s so bad is because Adrian Zenz isn’t merely biased, he’s a known liar. He’s a fraud who pretends to be an expert on China despite not speaking a single word of any of the languages just because he’s been to China a single time over 10 years ago. He is being referenced despite all that by CIA financed medias (such as the BBC via USAID) because his lies are exactly the kind of things western bourgeois want us to think about China.

    Your comparing Dessalines pointing out that your sources cite Zenz to you pointing out that some of his links go to X is misguided at best, Musk isn’t the author of what is written on these X posts, Zenz is the author of the lies your sources tells.