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Lol I love this, I love to watch people flail like this.

“Birth rates are going down! Do your research!”

“Well I did, and they aren’t. Here’s the facts.”

“Nu-uh!”

Dude, take the L and sit down. You said to do the research, and I did. You’re wrong. Let’s just keep moving the goalpost every time you’re wrong so that you feel justified in your stance. Sure, bud. Well, sure, I can do that too: if you look at the past 3,000 years, the birthrate is actually trending up like crazy. Let’s not look at other factors like infant mortality, life expectancy, or anything, that would be silly. Lol, you are so absurd. It sounds like you need to do some more research, but I know that’s too much to ask from you.

Oh, so nuance and context isn’t a thing?

I mean if we want to argue in bad faith, I got a pretty light day.

But let me do your research for you.

In 2024, the U.S. saw a 1% increase in births, totaling approximately 3.6 million.

South Korea, known for having one of the world’s lowest fertility rates, experienced its first increase in births in nearly a decade in 2024. The number of births rose by 8,300 compared to the previous year, with the fertility rate increasing from 0.72 to 0.75.

Oh no, facts, your only weakness.

Lol comparing literal pavlovian training with getting a birthday present. You are either arguing very dishonestly or you just don’t understand the concept of manipulation at all lol.

Also ignoring the fact that in your example of cupcakes they actually talked about noticing how you felt and the reason why they gave you the cupcake. You get that right? You get how a dog can’t do those things right? Dogs can’t talk.

I get you’re trying your hardest, and I’m sure you are. Some people just can’t grasp basic logic, it’s a real problem these days. I tried to explain it multiple different way, but you can’t make someone understand something, sometimes you just gotta give up and move on.

Ahh the old “do you research” line.

Yeah I did, and the facts don’t support your point. Maybe do some actual research instead of typing what you want to see in Google and cherry picking, but I know that’s too much to ask from you.

And what does this mean, exactly? You get the extra muffin she baked or something? You get to cuddle a lot?

You have to be purposefully blind at this point… She noticed he was “food motivated” so now she gives him a treat when he’s vulnerable to reinforce that behavior… That is literally how you train a dog. Humans usually discuss things instead if they want behavior changed.

She probably didn’t say that, no, but I assume he can see this, like, with his eyes. If he doesn’t want m&m’s, why take them?

I feel like you have to be trolling. “If someone is being manipulated, why don’t they just not be manipulated?” Things like this aren’t always so obvious in practice when you are the one in the situation, and he may think it’s an innocent offer with no hidden meaning. Most people don’t assume their partner is trying to train them like an animal, not really where my head goes to when my partner offers me a snack. And if all of this is so obvious, then why not just talk about it?

So, she hasn’t told you via this tweet, therefore, ergo, concordantly, vice ve, she has never cared or asked about, like, his childhood or his mom.

She wrote multiple paragraphs, something as important as “and I talked to him about this” would be easy enough to add and clear up a whole lot. But what we see instead is nothing but her mentioning things she does to get him to do what she wants, like be vulnerable.

Damn, I didn’t know Canada was the whole world. My bad.

Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.

You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9

I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.

I don’t know about you, but I love dessert.

Fair, but if I’m upset because I might lose my job or my mom is sick then that doesn’t address any of those.

So, 1, this doesn’t answer my question about what it is he hasn’t consented to.

Ok let’s answer that. Did she say “I’m going to treat you like a dog” and him agree? Did she say, “I’m giving you an m&m ever time you open up to encourage it” I doubt it and she never mentioned it. She simply does this as a manipulation technique without ever discussing “hey, I think we need to talk about you being comfortable being vulnerable.”

2, how is it you know she’s not interested in his life story?

Well she had the chance to say she actually talked about and addressed the problems upsetting him, but she never mentioned that at all. Just dog training strategies she uses on him without him being aware.

You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.

You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.

Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.

Yeah, you seem to be trying to make some point, but it’s not landing.

Or are you just going to do nothing (except attack the “uppity” women who are complaining about it) and consider it to be not your problem?

Ok.

Never once did I do this. I’ve been saying, over and over, that everyone should be treated like a human. All I can do is be the change I want to see.

You then just go on to blame men for everything. Men are the problem. Women being treated poorly, men’s fault. Men being treated poorly, men’s fault.

So women never do anything wrong and it’s all men’s fault. And I need to magically fix the whole problem or shut up and deal with being treated poorly.

You are a toxic person. You are dishonest, putting words in my mouth. You are the reason why people don’t take feminism seriously. You’re more interested in bashing men than trying to solve anything.

I’m done. I’m not going to waste my time without someone who can’t have a conversation without sarcastic attacks and lying about my actions and stances. Get blocked troll.

You sound mad at me for saying that I should be treated fairly. Women also deal with it yes. But I don’t get why you feel the need to attack me for bringing it up. I’m sure you get upset if someone attacked a woman for being asked to be treated fairly.

You seem very angry at the world to the point where you are attacking people who want to be your allies and want the same thing. You even say “don’t make the problem worse by attacking people who are just trying to defend themselves” yet here you are with a sarcastic “oh no” and attacking me for literally just saying I want to be treated like a human. The hypocrisy is wild…

Who says they can’t? They should be able to.

Here’s a crazy idea, instead of making men suffer because women suffer, we just stop.

Well your last sentence really shows you don’t care. Let’s see how this works. If you don’t like women getting treated like meat help fix the root of the problem instead of bitching about your false victimhood. Am I doing it right? It’s this how we help each other fix problems?

There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.

Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.

You’re grossly misrepresenting what this is. She got desserts and noted him as food motivated. That’s insulting. He only got happy because there was food for him to eat, really? No discussion of why he was sad before, just get him snacks and move on? Maybe talk to him and ask why he seemed upset before desert instead of just giving him a snack and hoping it’s better.

The woman here is trying to change his mood or behavior through dog training techniques instead of figuring out why he feels or acts a certain way. Is he aware that she is literally treating him like a dog? It comes across as her caring about his behavior in the moment more than his overall mental health.

That’s my point. We don’t know. She made a wild assumption based on terms used to train dogs.

Ok

K

I’m a bigger guy, about 6’3" and about 230 lbs, so I get that I look intimidating some times. But I’ve honestly just walked past a woman and smiled at them and get a nasty look. I go out of my way to put out a happy and positive image and still sometimes get looked at like I’m some threat.

It’s tiring and honestly at some point you just stop caring. I stop smiling and reassuring everyone smaller than me to make them feel better, because what’s the point. I’ve become jaded.

Lol so much bs in a single response without saying a damn thing. About what I expected. You even laughed at your own nonsense, so at least there’s that I guess.

It’s clear you’re not interested in a convo. Just misrepresenting things said over and over while not contributing to the conversation at all. I’m sure you have lots of experience being treated like a creep with that mindset, which makes this list make a lot of sense.