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  • It’s astonishing that you’d let your country burn down just to make a point. America truly doesn’t deserve Bernie.

    By saying I’m just trying to “make a point” you’re only demonstrating you do not grasp the gravity of the situation. I’m willing to do what it takes to stop a genocide. After the holocaust the slogan was “never again” not “only again if its politically convenient for liberals.”

    You’re willing to uncritically support your leaders because you think they’re on your side.

    Just so you know, to the rest of the world, you and MAGA supporters seem identical, just repeating diferent talking points.

    Well, I guess you guys need to work on your political science education over there, liberals are much closer to the far-right than leftists.


  • The reason I think 2016 was the last off-ramp is mainly because of conversations like this. The democrats could not have won in 2024 without the Arab vote in Michigan. You would be a single issue voter too if your mother, your father, your brother or, your lover was killed in a genocide with arms provided by the Biden administration. That is already fascism which you are engaging in apologia for. The Biden administration was no reprieve for some of us whose lives you’ve already disregarded.

    I can only imagine the outrage coming from liberals if the same thing had happened in Israel and Trump had been in office. But Biden does it and you shrug it off.

    The protests aren’t coming because civil society in the US has been destroyed by decades of neoliberal compromise with the right. American democracy wasn’t killed in a single election it was whittled down over decades of compromising with the right. Arguably going back to the new deal. The same thing is happening in Europe albeit more slowly.


  • You’re not going to believe this, but other than your point on genocide, Hasan agrees with you. But I don’t want to get bogged down on an individual. He’s a big boy, he can defend himself.

    You’re right the purity testing can be counterproductive. For example the way the democrats pushed away Joe Rogan’s endorsement of Bernie Sanders in 2020. Though, I think that was mainly an excuse from centrists so they wouldn’t have to deal with Bernie.

    As for the part about genocide. I gotta say that’s a red line for me. I cannot support a candidate that supports a genocide. It’s as black-and-white as slavery was in the 1850s or the Nazi genocide against the Jews in the 1940s. The political center must grapple with the moral gravity of the situation.

    If the moral argument against genocide isn’t enough for you, then perhaps you can be swayed by an electoral one. Even if the democrats had managed to win the other swing-states they could not have won this election without Michigan. There is a fairly sizable Arab community in Michigan that can swing the state. You cannot expect the Arab community of Michigan to vote for the democrats when they had many family members living in Gaza. The centrists in the Democratic Party chose to kill their own collation, the left saying they wouldn’t vote for democrats in solidarity with those Arabs were trying to stop them from destroying their own coalition.

    I’m not sure I buy that leftism in Europe is currently working well. Yes, after fascism was defeated in the early 20th century —largely by Soviet and US forces— the European left had many more successes than the US left did. But in the last decade or so the European left has not been in a particularly better position than the democrats in the US.

    In France, Macron sided with a Conservative Party to push out the left even though the left had a bigger mandate, all while LePenn remains a growing threat. In England, Labour pushed out Jeremy Corbin, the Reform party remains a growing threat. In Germany, the AfD is a growing threat. In Italy, Meloni is currently in power. The left in Europe does not seem to be doing well.

    At the risk of pushing the scope of this conversation too far. There is also growing militarism in Europe that I am quite concerned about. In response to Russian aggression and the US abandonment of that conflict, there is a growing desire for Europe to build its own military industrial complex. That’s something I’ve seen little resistance to from the European left thus far. Of course I do understand the desire to defend yourselves from Russia. But the economic forces that you’re unleashing when you do are something that has the potential to play into the hands of the rising tide of fascism within Europe. There is a great risk that if you create a European military industrial complex that it will eat all the social safety nets that the European left won in the middle of the 20th century. To me as an outside observer it seems like this is where the compromises of the European left are headed.

    I do agree you’re right about Bernie though. That is the direction the democrats should have taken. I just hope that wasn’t the last off-ramp from fascism.



  • He’s literally the largest leftist streamer so he’s literally one of the most successful people at moving people left currently.

    The Houthis are resisting the genocide in Gaza. The interview had as much journalistic value as interviewing John Brown (or at least one of his followers) would have. You’re engaging in some George Bush level shit. Don’t turn your brain off just because the state labels a group a terrorist organization.





  • They could hire more people, so the production load would be more spread out.

    A few months ago there was a post on Reddit pointing out the problem with the writers being rushed from someone claiming to work at LTT. The solution the Reddit post suggested was to hire more people. Linus mentioned it on the WAN show but dismissed the post as just a whiner. (I believe the person making the post may have already been fired prior to making the post.)

    If LTT was unionized there would have been an institutional path for this person to go through to get their grievances addressed. But Linus views that as some kind of personal failure. Rather than an institutional change that needs to happen to ensure the company is well run.




  • I used to be a right-libertarian when I was a teenager. I could have seen myself going down the fascist pipeline if I hadn’t been exposed to critiques of capitalism. It’s undeniable that there are problems with society now. We’re a capitalist society that’s been deregulating for decades and things have gotten worse. It’s obvious the problem wasn’t “lack of free-markets”. At this point you either have to reject social progressiveism as the problem or capitalism. Many of my friends chose the former I chose the later. Now everyone here on Lemmy is beating me up.

    I just want people to have control over their own lives and a big part of people’s lives are their place of work.


  • I know perfectly well how progressive taxes work.

    It’s very obviously that you do not.

    The point of my original post was that most people making average wages will not necessarily pay more taxes if social services increase. If the taxes are progressive taxes that is definitionally true.

    A progressive tax is a tax where the greatest tax burden falls on those with the greatest ability to pay the tax. That is typically on those making more than average.

    A regressive tax is a tax where the greatest tax burden falls on those with the least ability to pay the tax. That is typically on those making less than average

    You keep bringing up (often false or tenuous) examples of regressive taxes. There are examples of regressive taxes in Europe and elsewhere, I don’t dispute this. This does not undermine my point.

    There are also examples in Europe and elsewhere where progressive taxes have been successfully implemented. My original post was pointing this fact out.

    There is no point in moving on to any of my more complex points until you demonstrate that you comprehend this.

    Do you understand why giving examples of regressive taxes in Europe does not undermine my position that taxes to pay for social services should be progressive?


  • Wealthy people own companies. Companies are perfect tool for accumulating wealth, since you can reinvest profits forever and pay income tax (corporate rate) only on stuff you intend to extract to your own name, which is usually not much compared to total amount of generated income.

    Right… to get at that wealth through taxes you would need a wealth tax or a tax on corporate profits along with outlawing stock buy backs.

    Private person, on the other hand, is taxed on whole income and may qualify for usually laughable deductions. Got huge bonus from your job at the end of the year and plan to get few months off work to “invest in yourself” and learn a new trade? Tough luck, buddy, you are “rich” now - welcome to higher tax bracket, government will take their cut first and let’s see what you’ll be able to afford with what’s left.

    That’s not how a progressive taxes work. Under progressive tax you get taxed at a higher rate as you make more money, but only the amount above a certain threshold is taxed higher, you’re not going to receive less money because you make above a certain amount as you seem to be implying. It’s explained more fully in this short video. https://youtu.be/VJhsjUPDulw

    In terms of reinvesting in yourself, yes there should be universal access to education. If you’re capable and desire to improve yourself through education that should be free and you should be paid to pursue that self improvement. A society made up of smarter people benefits us all, we should make that investment.

    VAT is a scam to fuck people who have to spend their income for actual living. If you live paycheck to paycheck you’ll end up paying VAT on your whole income.

    Agreed VAT is a regressive tax that taxes the poor more. We see 100% eye to eye here.

    Wealthy people don’t get their income in salary, salary is for working class. Dividends, capital gains, royalties - in any jurisdiction it’s possible to find something which will be less severe than income tax, which is also often not progressive or capped at something like 20%.

    Well, yes which is why I said I support sovereign wealth funds. That is the state owns portions of companies directly in the same way other shareholders do. This cuts out the wealthy people entirely. The State can then use dividends of that fund to invest in social services. It can also use it’s position as a shareholder to give working people better labor contracts.

    Dividends, capital gains, royalties - in any jurisdiction it’s possible to find something which will be less severe than income tax, which is also often not progressive or capped at something like 20%.

    So you support lowering incoming taxes and raising taxes on dividends, capital gains, royalties? Sound like a decent policy to me. Well this is something else to consider; its almost like its more complicated than my original sarcastic comment implied.

    Social security contributions are easily bypassed by employing yourself as CEO for minimal salary. Boom - now you have same healthcare as people who have to pay great chunk of their whole paycheck for it.

    Uhh… yeah we should close that loopholes, right? Even if we didn’t close that loophole I still think its a much better system for healthcare than in the US.

    If we restrict ourselves to EU citizens and your particular country is really anal or maybe 20% or something tax is too much for you anyway - you are free to move to Cyprus, Malta or Switzerland, which will have 0% capital gains if you meet not too tough conditions. Or “move”, you just have to get a residence there to declare as your primary one and be present at least sometimes - there’s no border control, it’s really hard to track if you spent there more than half a year for tax residency purposes, this is usually a matter of long legal battles and you won’t even get into that territory if you’re not doing anything too bizarre.

    Not all that familiar with these kinds of tax dodging schemes within in the EU. But US corporations do similar things with the Cayman Islands. We could probably close these loopholes with enough political will. But again the easier and cleaner solution is a sovereign wealth fund which I mentioned in my first comment responding to you and you have not yet acknowledged as a way of raising funds.

    I’m living and doing business in EU and it took me quite a lot of time to get from nothing into the position where I can utilize at least some of the benefits of the above - but you have to be completely fucking blind to not see that it’s rigged and tax burden on people who don’t try to game the system is completely disproportional.

    Perhaps that is how things are but how should things be?