But you made no good points. The only consistent root position for your arguments to me was “everything good guys do is okay” and “war isn’t nice”. That’s why I decided to cut to the chase and ask the only relevant question. Tangential historical waffle for vague justification, without addressing the point, doesn’t interest me. Either it’s okay to kill 20% of a country, while claiming the moral high ground, or it isn’t.

Bombing of Germany and Japan was necessary sure, but the degree and targets are in question. Did they need to level Dresden or nuke Japanese cities? Did they have to target civilians en mass? No, they were just barbarians invoking “turnabout is fair play” and offering mealy-mouthed “war isn’t nice” canards in their own defence. Japan, in particular, was just a test of their new toy, perhaps one of the most disgusting things ever done. Notably in neither of these cases did the allies destroy 85% buildings for an entire country and kill a such a large fraction of the population.

Perhaps the undoubtedly vile Kim regime has been so hard to dislodge because the “good guys” inflicted such unnecessary mass destruction and trauma. It’s very easy to sell a narrative that the world is out to get you when the world was actually out to get your parents.

“Not afraid of vacuum cleaners”, now just look at all the"rationalists" terrified their chat bots will become sentient and eternally punish simulated copies of them for not ushering in the singularity with sufficient fervour.

It sounds to me like you think anything is fair in war. Provide as much random background as you want, none of it justifies the scale of destruction. Just look it up on Wikipedia and tell me again that it’s just war and it was all necessary to prevent the undoubtedly awful things NK had planned.

And the standard penalty for invading another country is being bombed into the stone age? Nothing you said justifies what happened. Were NK bad? Fuck yes! Does that justify killing a quarter of their people? I hope you don’t think so, or you are at least are willing to massacre close to a hundred million Americans for consistency sake.

It’s amazing when people say these things. Even Wikipedia will tell you 85% of all structures in North Korea were destroyed. No one even bothered to estimate military versus civilian deaths. I fucking hate tankies but there’s no point in being useless bullshitters ourselves. People with no regard for the truth are even worse than tankies.

It’s far darker than this. You’re all one step away from this kind of flip. I mean neurotypical people here (though I doubt neurodivergent are proof against it, normal people are just super vulnerable). It’s all based on identity and once something is part of your identity there is no logic that can shift you.

I don’t think people here understand this yet: he doesn’t care. He won’t abide by any court rulings and there’s no one to make him do it. Your system was always broken, and your rights are just a gentleman’s agreement. Now you ran out of gentlemen.

Them: this time we will discover supersymmetry.

Narrator: they won’t.

Yes, “common sense”. The interesting thing about science is how often it tells you “common sense” is horseshit. Try get through a physics degree on “common sense” and we can discuss exactly how stupid you are.