Yes, the people who benefit from them. They were fine with the exploitative nature of their corporate overlord and mostly fine with its destruction of the environment, but now their plausible moral deniability is gone so they will go find another corporation with better PR in order to continue getting their cut of imperialist plunder.

Exactly, viewing it any other way feels like boutique ideology. We should be Marxist out of necessity not identity.

For sure, I definitely agree about just wanting a system that works. I am a socialist because it is the only path forward to actually improve society and we know this through applying Marxism, and frankly if that isn’t the perspective you are coming from that will inevitably lead to dogmatism.

I have heard heard critiques from anarchists and Maoists along the lines of “you can’t support something just because ‘it works’, it has to build socialism/erase hierarchies etc.” which is both such a wild thing to say but also I agree with the kernel of truth in there. Like, yes just because something works for over the short term does not mean it will work long term and socialism is necessary to guarantee the reproduction of an equitable, just society. However, it is incredible to be so dismissive of projects that demonstrably improve the lives of hundreds of millions of people when we already know building socialism is going to be a long and difficult process filled with errors anyway. So we should dismiss successes in improving peoples lives because its not the “right way”? There is an incredible burden of proof IMO to say that such projects are ultimately harmful and frankly I have never seen even close to sufficient evidence presented to support these claims.

It’s also incredibly revealing of the class character within global capitalism of the people who espouse these critiques. You are letting us all know that you are in a position where you are safe enough to wait for the “proper” socialist project to come along, but do you think colonized/imperialized peoples in West Africa or Pakistan have that luxury?

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But this is a great system that the whole world needs to adopt, and if they don’t we will make them at gunpoint

I think conflict over this comes from erroneously extrapolating the idea of “We need to ensure that the changing geopolitical climate furthers the socialist project” to “These countries are not socialist so therefore these changes are irrelevant to building socialism”

Blue steel looking ass

I think their monthly newsletter to Wall Street got leaked

And the US lectures the world on human rights and admonishes countries for how they treat minority populations

Thanks for the detailed and thought-out response, I really appreciate it. My frustrations come purely from the mainstream application of intersectionality which decontextualizes everything for the sake of primacy of racial and social hierarchy, completely ignoring the basic question of why these hierarchies even exist in the first place (presumably because of typical western orthodoxy of “human nature”). I have definitely been rethinking it and seeing its value even in Marxist applications.

My god the way they draw Putin is so fucking racist

I am noticing a lot of similarities with the postbellum American South. They really want to be the Mississippis and Alabamas of the world?

I am begging you liberals to just be familiar with the most basic parts of Marxism

Not the logical fallacies 💀

It’s real. Had to dunk on the lib below.

Must’ve missed the part where there is evidence that this was false, you fucking loser.

Found it in one google search. It’s real.

Someone 100% said this unironically, if it’s a meme maybe somebody else said it but this is standard lib discourse.

And their sports models just got nuked, those were actually useful. Fuck this guy and Disney

Totally agree

Love how they imply that you are some potentially dangerous mass shooter. Gotta love weirdo lib behavior