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Cake day: December 13th, 2024

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  • I would just say that in very tense situations where the exact details of a law very much matters, the difference between different legal systems might be worth some consideration.

    That’s a good point. My understanding was College of Policing gives professional guidance for all UK, but its bearing on Scotland & Northern Ireland may be looser.

    British Naturists seem to think it’s legal in all UK, Scotland & Northern Ireland follow similar policing practices (consider every case on its merits) & may take that document into consideration. They provide a summary mentioning the Scottish counterpart of the law you mentioned: their language look quite similar (similar purposes/conditions to qualify as offenses).

    While the similarity in these laws is compelling, and naturists report they are policed in similar ways, case law might qualify their interpretation.

    The rando’s writing shown in the OP could mean anything, and if you follow the link to that post, you’ll find a similar discussion to this one that links similar content.




  • It appears that having an “intention to cause alarm or distress” may be relevant for protests like this — arguably the entire point of the protest is to use the shock value of the nudity as a protest.

    I was looking at this, too, it looks like public nudity is legal, and I don’t think peaceful protest counts as disorderly conduct. The policing aid cites relevant law & provides a decision aid. It states

    Naturists have a right to freedom of expression which only engages criminal law if they commit sexual offences or use disorderly behaviour that they intend to or are aware may be disorderly within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress.

    A decision aid clarifies

    Decision aid for responding officers

    Is there a clear sexual motivation to the subject’s actions?
    ↓ No
    Has the person been ‘disorderly’ and caused another person ‘actual’ harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this or the complainant finding it personally distasteful or offensive)?
    ↓ No
    It will normally be appropriate to take no further action
    Advise complainant

    Personally distasteful or offensive doesn’t qualify.

    Disorderly conduct seems to mean disruptions that intimidate or prevent people from exercising their lawful rights or accessing goods & services they are legally entitled to. Police can impose restrictions on start & finish times, location, noise levels.

    Maybe someone better versed in UK law can clarify.










  • That’s probably why Mesopotamians chose them: the convention traces back to them. Measuring angles in degrees also traces back to them.

    Still, those numbers/units are quite arbitrary & introduce unnecessary conversions. Radians are dimensionless & require no conversion. Converting seconds to a more natural unit like days involves reintroducing those highly composite numbers that fit better in base-60 than the base-10 system we now use.




  • we are criticizing how that simplified model is abused without considering the other variables and applied to policy-making. does that make sense?

    That indeed makes more sense: it only fits short-run predictions. It justifies short-run policies.

    Longer term policies need a different justification: you’re definitely right there.

    I think economists have a name for mistaking short- & long-run effects (something to do with equilibrium), but the course was too long ago for me to recall.