And in your estimation how much should angry men be allowed to touch you?

Semantics? It’s in my first comment. You were never trying to have a conversation. Being done is a good idea because if you actually did try to have a conversation your ideas probably wouldn’t hold up and I’m getting the impression that you lack the emotional maturity to handle that.

I remember them doing this all the time back when they first went in the air. It’s part of what actually made me aware of politics. I was doing a school report on some local politician that got in legal trouble and they did a story covering the same politician which seemed exciting at the time. I was shocked that they listed the republican politician as a Democrat, thought for sure they would issue a correction for such an embarrassing and obvious mistake. A few days later as a text footnote at the end of one of their broadcasts they finally “corrected themselves”. But I was paying attention now and they did this all the time. If the scandalized politician was not known nationally they would accidentally report the wrong party to try and make the Dems look bad.

Oh contribute is different than being the cause. Like I said from the beginning. So no. No disingenuousness. Just poor reading skills on your part.

No it’s not disingenuous. Bi_tux is a minority. Agitator told him that he’s the reason black kids get shot in the face. Bi_tux needs a gun in response to the hostility and violence of bigots. Ignoring bi_tux’s minority status and original statement because it’s inconvenient is kinda disingenuous though.

Bi_tux (or any other minorities) having guns or not isn’t the cause of bigots shooting black kids in the face for ringing a doorbell.

Don’t worry. It won’t catch up to your head start.

It is kind of telling how emotionally fragile republicans are based on how the deplorables comment devastated them.

I’m all for massive gun control reform. I’m also all for minorities being allowed to arm themselves since they are being hunted down by white supremacists just for going to the store. I’m for calling out assholes that tell minorities that they are the reason black kids get shot in the face.

Yeah, I thought you had nothing.

The civility of explaining how I would change gun laws? What on earth do you think civility means? You almost sounds like an AI speaking in patterns that sound like conversations but with no understanding of the actual words. I already said if you started behaving we could talk about other stuff

What political view of yours did I already make up?

I didn’t dismiss that bi_tux is a gun owner. Again what nonsense is this? Him being a minority gun owner is the foundation of this entire thread.

That the Jacksonville victims were gunned down by a legal gun owner that didn’t care if his victims were armed or not backs up bi_tux not you. Minorities, armed or not, are the targets of lethal violence. Them not being armed didn’t save them. The fear and hate that causes the violence of shooting random people belonging to minority groups at stores or on door steps is there regardless of if minorities are armed or not.

You haven’t clarified anything. You’ve jumped to about ten different topics. State clearly and concisely how bi_tux is the cause of black children getting shot in the face.

You don’t have to know every nuance about my political views but you should probably not make up that I’m more pro gun than Ted Nugent. Do I get to make up your unstated political views?

If bi_tux wasn’t a minority then he probably wouldn’t have posted about needing a gun to protect against racist in white robes. He set the context that he is a minority. What nonsense are you talking about here? Do you even buy what you are saying?

Do you think that the Jacksonville shooter is something that supports your case? Cause like bi_tux asked you, how did those victims not having guns convince the violent racist not to kill them?

You haven’t clarified much of anything. Maybe if you haven’t tried to cram in so many tangents you could have done better.

You very much have a straw man that you wanted to rail against since you started posting in this thread. Don’t reach so hard. There are plenty of those guys actually out there.

Civility could still use a bit of polishing up.

Right, it’s the environmental concerns and not the company seeing if they can get away with cutting the cost of providing the charge block.

You are still imagining that I’m the straw man pro gun guy that you desperately wish I was.

Bi_tux said he needed a gun to protect himself against armed racists and you said he was the cause of black children being shot. You said something stupid and disgusting there. There is no other angle. It’s not a disguise for some other talking point.

Minorities having guns is not the cause of black children getting shot in the face for ringing door bells. It may make for a convenient excuse. It might make an already existing problem worse. But it is not the cause. The cause of that violence is right wing fear mongering and deep seated racism.

You are not as clever, insightful, or enlightened as you think you are. You keep trying to divert to other topics. Now go on and gish some more.

If you think acting civilly is grovelling and begging then that tells a lot about you.

You work on a farm or something? Cause you love straw men.

You told bi_tux that he is not a hero, that he is the reason black children get shot in the face for ringing door bells. That is there for everyone to read. You told him that because he said he was a minority that armed himself. Because old racist white men will kill minorities if they are armed or not. Because the cause of that violence isn’t minorities or bi_tux having guns.

I already said that any other topics you add are distractions. Own the shitty thing you said, apologize to bi_tux, and ask me in a civil way to discuss one or two of the gish gallop topics you’ve run through and then we can talk about them. You won’t though.

Where did I say I supported gun ownership? Do I get to make things up about you too?

No you made up my big rubber stamp and all that. You tried to lay the blame for black children being shot in the face on minorities having guns. You can bring up whatever other topics you want but it doesn’t change that you said something really shitty and that I called you on it. Anything else is your addition and distraction.

You made up a lot of stuff there. You are grasping because you don’t want to own your shameful behavior. Base your comments on what I actually said and on reality.

No. Black children get shot in the face for ringing door bells because of right-wing fear mongering and deeply entrenched bigotry that exists whether or not minorities arm themselves. You can make the case that bi_tux isn’t making anything better and is possibly making it worse but saying they are the cause is a disgusting lie that takes the blame off those that truly deserve it.

Hard to fit the wholesome part of the phrasing into that take but I guess I can see it.

Not the only thing they are full of.