You’re conflating very different processes here. While there is the hard problem of consciousness and we can’t falsify ideas like panpsychism consider a few things.

If you amputate my hand and press on it it will emit nervous signals. Does anyone feel pain? If you destroy most of my brain but keep me alive, then stab me almost all the nervous activity and hormones etc associated with injury will happen. Is there any reason to believe there is any pain felt?

I would say no in both cases, pain is not emitting nervous impulses, or something that precedes releasing endorphins and inflammatory factors etc. Pain cannot even necessarily be reliably correlated with stress markers like heart rate, and in the case of phantom limb syndrome pain can even be associated with a complete lack of signals.

There are good evolutionary reasons to exhange information and resources, even unwittingly. Apparently some bacteria in my tummy are in conversation with my body constantly but I’m not at all aware or actively participating in that. Maintaing pain only really seems to offer advantage if you can do something about it, while it’s possible for things to exist accidentally it’s not like grass can move to places without mowers or trees shade themselves. In all animals with nervous systems the nervous systems are the vastly most expensive thing to keep alive. In fact there are a few creatures who when entering an immobile stage of life rapidly digest their own (a good explaination for both tenure and retirees!).

Plants don’t have rapid long distance communication in their bodies, they don’t have centralised organs, they don’t even have anything approaching the levels of activity we associate with the simplest nervous systems.

It’s probably best to think of grass “screaming” as skin cells “screaming” for resources to make more melanin when exposed to UV. Or lymph nodes “screaming” when releasing hormones to heal a wound and stuff. This is all vastly below the level of consciousness.

Or whatever, embrace panpsychism, like the invisible dragon in my garage nobody can prove it false /shrug. Animals eat plants though and thermo law 2 is a thing so even panpsychics minimise suffering by being plant based.

Seems well adjusted. I’d keep my kids away from them if I were you.

Silly vegoon, only the cute animals I didn’t want to eat have feelings. The others are unfeeling slabs of meat that is magically created by wholesome farmers being folksy.

One of the points in my waking up to carnism was when I mentioned an interest in hunting rabbits (a so called invasive pest here) over dinner with my family as a late teen.

My father expressed an incredible disgust at the idea of hunting, made some comment about sadists or something. The rest of my family were more reserved but similarly aghast, that I would be willing to participate in the process by which meat, which we were eating, was created represented some sort of character flaw.

Yet at the time we had gone fishing, and I had done work experience on a farm. I volunteered at the school farm and had raised broiler chickens and helped load them onto a truck to a slaughterhouse.

It made me realise how utterly disconnected we all were and how the people around me were utterly repulsed by the violence required for their pleasures.

I moved out shortly after and went pescatarian largely due to the soul searching that prompted. Becoming vegan later when I realised Nirvana lied to me.

isn’t it just? My favourite is “While 99% of all meat comes from factory farms, no one eats that meat.”

Not a single person I’ve ever spoken to about veganism, not at demonstrations or privately, has ever admitted to eating factory farmed meat.

Is it all some bizarre welfare system? the butchers/supermarkets/delies just buy it from the farmers and throw it out?

Me approaching Foss developer with bug: Pardon me, if you could grace this lowly worm with but a moment of your attention; I with me a bug report, and I believe I have found the section of code responsible. This inadequate being lacks the technical expertise to fix it and would be eternally indebted if you would turn your monumental skills upon its trifling problems. It would please me immensely if my paltry efforts were of some assistance.

This user: SOFTWARE NO WORK FUCK YOU!

Grats! It’s a fantastic feeling being able to push yourself.

smh this is what car centric urban planning does to a society.

I was thinking about you when I cleaned up this codebase and removed a lot of redundant functions.

I love parallelising paint aging so I know faster which formulae to refine?

Lots of shit involves lots of waiting

Fucking wasted a good mouthful of gin with that snort

Jesus fuck. Idk about no good parts, the bits that are unoriginal are sometimes interesting (e.g. distance between model and reality, metacognition is useful sometimes etc) it would just be more useful if they like produced reading lists instead of pretending to be smort

Baby I just come here because that twist of the upper lip does things to me

People when the sound like a person machine sounds like a person

https://gfycat.com/corruptmetallicitalianbrownbear

I don’t really see much likelihood in a singularity though, there’s probably a bunch of useful shit you could work out if you analysed the right extant data in the right way but there’s huge amounts of garbage data that it’s not obvious is garbage.

My experience in research indicates to me that figuring shit out is hard and time consuming, and “intelligence” whatever that is has a lot less to do with it than having enough resources and luck. I’m not sure why some super smart digital mind would be able to do science much faster than humans.

Physics is a bitch and there are just sort of limits on how awesome technology can be. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems like digital intelligence would be more useful for stuff like finding new antibiotics than making flying nanomagic fabricator paperclip drones.

Whaaaaat? I don’t come here for this shit

I’d take you more seriously if you spent the same energy addressing the 2 commenters who decided to joke about killing bees in response to my original comment.

Because the person said bees dying was something funny to celebrate as they wanted to die so I returned the favour.

They decided that from the safety of their keyboard they wanted me to feel bad, so I threw what the said back. Mature? no but I didn’t throw the first punch.

I miss this person, when they vanished the internet lost a voice of reason

Don’t actually do this. It’s supposed to be excruciating, even if there’s a legitimate need for euthanasia I would never, ever, advocate potassium chloride be used.

I’m just so tired of edgelords pretending that there’s something funny about mass murder of fellow earthlings.

If you’re depressed and contemplating suicide I would urge you try some interventions, exercise is the one with the best evidence for it. As a cripple with chronic depression I know how ludicrous that sounds but it’s worth trying to find something you enjoy enough to do. Even just like skipping rocks at a pond is good for you.

If you’re at the end of your rope I won’t patronise you, I know that for some people life is just an unending torrent of pain. Do not use this method though, nobody deserves to die like that.