I feel that sometimes life nowadays can be summarized into continous fights like this one:
Bash the fash
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If you have the chance, try joining any of the celebrations in your country! It is a beautiful experience!
I hope that person reads your comment because it truly is one of the most thorough comment regarding the SMO.
Thank you for taking the time to write this! It is very helpful for people that are following up this discussion.
Oh, no worries. I was following up your discussion with the other arrogant person and got angered at the way he treated you.
Thanks for your good work comrade. Your comments surrounding this topic are very helpful for people that are humble enough to listen. It disappoints me how prevalent western exceptionalism is with liberals/ultras or whatever that arrogant guy is.
But Putin chose the worst response he could have chosen and now everything’s worse for Russia than it was before.
That’s the problem with westerners filled to the brim with western exceptionalism. Plenty of comrades have tried to explain with evidence why your position fails to consider plenty of information that explain the material conditions leading to SMO but you chose to be arrogantly dismissive about it. Then, after rudely dismissing other comrades efforts, you spew nonstop nonsense to avoid facing the facts that people throughout this thread shared with you.
There is nothing but western arrogance from your responses.
It’s not even like I’m disagreeing with you that much. We are probably 90-95% in agreement. I just look at the results Russia got for the choice that it made and see a tragic mistake.
With what you kindly shown us throughout this thread, I doubt it. In fact, it is so easy to end up with positions like yours if we carefully ignore plenty of facts and historical context. We have seen plenty of westerners with exceptionalism do this all the time to criticize along with the fascists/liberals any resistance from the oppressed. From Palestine, Cuba, Rusia and China, people like you will arrogantly say “BUT I kNow A better wAy becAuSe I KnOw BeTter!” or “IT iS a FaiLuRe beCauSe thEy Didn’t Do IT mY pERfect wAy”.
What a disappointment. You should really work on that arrogance and shed away your exceptionalism.
So why doesn’t China just invade Taiwan already? Probably because they recognize that getting stuck in a grinding quagmire that costs hundreds of thousands of lives and only results in your enemies pouring even more resources into opposing you isn’t the right tactic for the situation, so they stick to innuendo and military exercises and diplomacy and playing the long game.
You are literally making shit up with your false equivalence. Ukraine and Taiwan are not the same. You can find clear differences just by looking at each countries location and asking yourself how the West will build logistics to push weaponry into each nation.
The SMO has been a failure on its own terms. Russia may have avoided the worst of the consequences that the West wanted to inflict on it via its strengthening relationship with China, but the simple fact is that Russians are less safe today than they were before they escalated the conflict, and I believe that Putin had better options available to him but chose instead to play right into NATO’s hands. Even just maintaining the 2014-2022 status quo in Ukraine would have been preferable to Russia than what they have now.
This is just straight up fiction. Now, I understand @666@lemmygrad.ml frustration with you. You are unwilling to tackle this in good faith and choose to live in fantasy land. Also, you are actively diverting attention from the imperialists as if it was Russia own fault to avoid this scenario. As 666 said before, NATO is an imperialist organization and inciting conflicts is what they do best.
Ahh, what an arrogant person you are. Liberalism and Western propaganda really rot people’s ability to think.
Putting US support for far right extremists in caps lock doesn’t change the fact that Russia’s Special Military Operation also massively empowered those extremists and reinvigorated NATO as a global military alliance.
Any resistance of any type will embolden imperialists and examples of this are numerous. In other words, Imperialists will never back off even after being defeated(ex Cuba, Yemen, Vietnam after defeating the french). Saying that as an argument against the SMO is just nonsense and even foolish.
Are you really that naive? Do you really think that any resistance will not cause the imperialists to go wild?
Moscow 1990-1991.
But you did make a value judgement(arrogantly if I may add)… 🙄 Your intention was clear as purified water… As clear as the moonlight
When you said “China capitulated”, you implicitly told all of us what your standard is which is “China should have continued with their pressure and they lost if they didn’t continue” and the rest of interpretations are not good enough. You implicitly told us your strong preference for your main interpretation rather than actually measuring the rest of the interpretations available. Also, you don’t need to write “should” to make a value judgement.
If your true intention was to measure all of the interpretations available and examine if yours was the closest to the correct answer, then a better wording will have suffice and it will have help a lot if you didn’t double down on this:
So you agree that China is more interested in maintaining business as usual than putting pressure on the US?
I said the Chinese had an opportunity to significantly pressure the US economy and did not take it. You are arguing that they shouldn’t have taken the opportunity to pressure the US economy. We aren’t having the same conversation.
As I said before, your option will speed up the war effort which means activating all of the puppets and US occupations in Asia(Philippines, Taiwan, ROK, Japan and others). It will also unite the US capitalist class. It will lead the US into turning plenty of countries in Asia to ucranization where there citizens are kidnapped to the frontline.
I wouldn’t call that an opportunity but a mistake that will lead to bloodshed of many.
This is a very narrow minded way of interpreting geopolitics. Your option doesn’t contemplate that it will heighten the war efforts against China and may unite the US capitalist class that is currently fighting against themselves in keeping profits from China or going with the industrialization plan. Your argument also doesn’t contemplate that the Global South haven’t yet built strong diversification options from the USD.
Also, you are ignoring that the actual capitulation was the US and this was explained through plenty of news shared by @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml in c/worldnews. The US through Trump wanted to destabilize China economically and they found that it failed. Not only that but it exposed the different factions within the capitalist class that don’t want to lose profits from the chinese market. Also, all of the tariffs exposed that the US is an unreliable partner and that helped plunge the support for the US globally.
Adding to what IHave69XiBucks mentioned, this helps China to keep working their plans on BRI and BRICS and allows them the opportunity for other countries to diversify from the US economy. Diversification is a MUST for all of global south economies. Otherwise, we will never be free and socialism will not advance as long as their are a capitalist faction within their countries that favors US trade.
They still have no interest in serving as opposition to the US and when they do, it’s like with the Russians, only after they are forced by the west.
There is no need to be an open opposition. What matters most is that the opposition is within the imperial core and within their capitalist class.
Internal divisions are more harmful for the empire and their capitalist class rather than external opposition as you ideally suggested because they weaken the collective strength and create internal conflict that has been shown over and over again.
What a great post! Thanks for sharing it all here! This will help in case the original gets deleted in Twitter.
Impressive!
What a great photo and it is even perfect with the hammer and sickle flag
Hmmm, their Facebook page had shared it in Bangla -> https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14EH1MRhiks/
That’s why I thought it might be the original because I could only find that one version. The english version is the easiest to find but not other languages.
He is Charlie from Congo who joined the march in Vladivostok with a portrait of his grandfather, a hero of World War II.
The “American dream” propagandists are working overtime in Facebook, Twitter and other social media to sell the “beautiful” life of working in the US with a TN visa. Due to “el aspiracionismo” fallacy, lots of people are still falling to those lies of “success”.