Bluesky isn’t a Fediverse player. It’s a Jack Dorsey project, currently ‘incubating’ until it’s ready to be sold to an oligarch.
It’s not even his anymore. He has moved on LOL. I think he endorses this brazillian crypto bro twitter called nostr. He funded so e of its development.
He also endorses twitter over blusky because apparently bluesky is very centralized…
My eyes have rolled into the side of my skull, and warped into null space.
Don’t waste your breath https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dorsey
Ha, I forgot about Nostr. That might actually be a useful application for blockchain.
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I’m sure it won’t avoid it much longer. But yeah it’s just another big platform that will fall.
Technically? No. (ActivityPub)
Culturally? No. (Venture capitalist for-profit and already beginning the resulting enshittification)
I don’t see any reason to consider them part of the Fediverse.
It’s Twitter in a trenchcoat saying “whats up fellow fediverse apps”.
You can’t have your own server to connect with other users on Bluesky, it’s centralized so I don’t consider part of the Fediverse
If it isn’t able to federate to other servers and/or services, like kbin to lemmy and such, without 3rd party tools like the bluesky bridge thingamajig, absolutely not.
No, because I can’t see anyone’s posts outside of Bluesky.
On Lemmy you can’t often see anyones posts, there are bluesky posts on the Fediverse but have to use the brid.gy bridge for it.
I meant more like the one instance, rather than the software.
Not really. You’re strongly funnelled down the bluesky owned instance, most uses of ATProto are more or less mere plugins for that main instance. Can I migrate my account to another instance? Unclear.
The VC funding also adds another layer that implies they’re going to trap people into their monetisable market share sooner or later. This seems incompatible with fediverse principles.
So while they present themselves as a more technically refined iteration of the fediverse, the whole thing is a big trap. Enjoy it while it lasts would be my advice, but if you’ve got the sway then try to get those close to you to migrate to mastodon before it goes wrong.
Is it federated? It only works with its own protocol, so it can’t be part of the fediverse by definition.
No. They’re another Twitter clone that is already starting to show their bullshit. And the people there never learn.
Do you think the people on there will move across to the Fediverse or just go to another shitty clone?
What do you think? Of course the latter.
Each time one of these for profit social media platforms fails or gets cancelled or whatever, some portion of the userbase switches to the Fediverse.
My hope is that eventually we will reach a critical mass where that portion makes up a majority of the transfers, at which point we will have successfully dismantled the industry of walled-garden social media.
Currently not, because it’s not de-facto decentralized. There would need to be multiple relays, managed by different organizations, AND multiple app views, also managed by different orgs, for me to consider it such.
The non-existence of de facto decentralization indicates that the ecosystem doesn’t actually promote decentralization, even though it technically allows for it.
Yeah from my understanding they call it decentralized but they put it through a centralized one they control through there protocol to verify content for everyone to see, so not so decentralized in the whole of everything.
Well, you can theoretically make a second app-view “instance”, call it “Greenearth” or something, and have different policies than Bluesky on how to verify or select content. But until someone actually does so, it’s not really decentralized. I’m not sure what’s stopping people from doing so, but it’s been a while, so I assume there must be some roadblock.
There’s also the issue of how Blueky itself was depicted as the decentralized network - when it’s more akin to a single instance, instead.
It’s designed so other relays need to handle every message sent on all of bluesky, so server costs would be way too high for most people. Like car prices for minimal bluesky relay setup, and way more if you want to actually store all the messages you’re processing.
@underscores @lily33 There have been multiple people testing this just this week, and it’s more like ~$200 price level than a car price 🙃
That’s monthly right? It’s a slight exageration, but that’s close to low end used car payments. And from what I understand it’ll go up as bluesky gets more popular, and the more relays there are.
@underscores Yeah. But doable for basically any company/org or an enthusiast with money to spare.
In terms of technology? Sure. There’s projects that are considered “Fediverse” and don’t use ActivityPub.
… But the more important question isn’t if it’s “Fediverse”. Sure it is. It’s a federated network. The important question is is it part of the Indie Web, since the Fediverse started as a smaller part of the bigger indie web movement, and then the answer is a big no, because it’s a VC-owned for-profit.
I’d say no.
I don’t think they federate. Least ways, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from a bluesky account, on lemmy or mastodon, and SDF hadn’t blocked them server side last I checked.
I think they’re a bit like truth social, not federating and off doing their own thing.
Nope. If I create a post on Bluesky, my posts aren’t going to appear on other sites unless I or someone else shares them.
No, because I can’t use it on entirely third-party infrastructure and interact with BlueSky users. It should be possible in theory, but if it was practical in reality, somebody would be doing it.
Partially, just because there is the ability to bridge it (ex: https://fed.brid.gy/), but I expect them to pull the rug at some point.
The bridge isn’t run by them, but yeah I think they will close there system more or just make the experience plane terrible for bridged accounts in the future.
