• usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
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    Public opinion matters a lot in this movement - not because Noem will care - but because it influences how the members themselves of the national guard respond. If the nation guard members think it is unjustified, they are more likely to not follow any unlawful orders

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      What already fascist-leaning member of the military will be swayed by labeling Noem a hypocrite? We have a felon in the White House. The lines are drawn and the sides have been picked.

      The only thing that might sway sympathizers is to make the incontinent senile fool look weak. Who’s going to support a weak would-be strongman?

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        It’s not as much about each specific thing as much as is about the overarching story. That Trump was at a UFC event and stayed while calling the national guard, that he didn’t call them in on Jan 6th, that the LAPD called the protests mostly peaceful, etc.

        People need motivation to act on their convictions. Visible push back from others is hugely important to seeing it as more unjustified and that they can refuse unlawful orders

        It’s also a spectrum. Vaguely feeling that something is probably wrong vs seeing stories about how it’s wrong are different

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        What already fascist-leaning member of the military will be swayed by labeling Noem a hypocrite? We have a felon in the White House. The lines are drawn and the sides have been picked.

        I think this same argument can be extended to the left leaning/ Democrat-ish. There are no minds yet to be changed. If you haven’t had your mind changed, you aren’t going to.

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          There are no minds yet to be changed.

          You can convince people to take action, where they might not have been willing to do so before. This is the fight we’re going to have right now. And acting like this is all already set in stone is fucking counterproductive as shit.

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            You can convince people to take action,

            I think thats something different. What I’m speaking to is that if you haven’t decided your “side” in the year of our lord, Anno Domini two thousand twenty four, you aren’t paying attention.

            The battle lines are basically “drawn” and there isn’t really substantial movement from one side to the other. Its all about driving your side to show up, but that activation is a totally and completely separation thing than which side you identify with.