• AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social
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    2 years ago

    Personally I don’t think the vast majority of states deserve senatorial representation, much less the right to spend a significant portion of their budgets on exquisite buildings full of overpaid suits deciding asinine shit like “The state fruit of Missouri is the blueberry”

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      The problem is that federal representatives only represent their states. More often than not they don’t give a flying fuck about anyone else. Which means they will burn the world to the ground as long as they get even the smallest concessions for their own voters. It might not be a bad idea to have a more fluid form of representative, where there’s overlap between represented areas, but no two senators represent the exact same base. You’d leave the House alone, excepting to maybe expand it so it better reflects its representative states.

      Obviously a pretty radical change that’d never happen, and kind of a spur-of-the-moment kind of thought by someone with literally no political training or experience… but it sounds better than what we have, at least in my internet addled brain.

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        Meh, who needs representatives? Throw them all in the meat grinder and direct democracy everything. You could probably even pay everyone to vote and still come up ahead of the endless pageantry, security, and other associated costs.

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    2 years ago

    Well, yeah, it’s almost like the government shouldn’t get to control your body.

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                We don’t live in hypothetical land. We live in the real world we’re what you are suggesting doesn’t really happen. Where a majority of abortions happen in the first trimester and are not done in a whim. Your hypothetical sounds smart but is mussing on reasons why the sky is green. We can talk all day about what is green but guess what, the sky is blue.

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    I think the growing change in opinion is likely based on and more stories and information about late stage abortions out there. I knew I didn’t think about them as much before Roe. However, it’s pretty obvious that the viability compromise is the real middle position with more people favoring no restrictions each day

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      People take the extreme since it’s hard to argue with. But in reality, it’s across the board better to leave it as an option in plenty of circumstances. You’re saving a life in technical terms, but by and large those kids will not be born into a good situation. And it will ruin their parents lives too.

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      I don’t disagree with your point regarding this specific argument, but we want to avoid a tyranny of the majority for a reason. It’s dangerous. Popular rule isn’t good because there may be a time where what’s popular isn’t aligned to your beliefs. Or quite frankly to what is logically “right”. Law should be based on established reason, logic, precedent, etc. and not on what most Americans want. Most Americans are dumb.

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        But then you get the rule of the minority with our current gerrymandering. Is that really better? You’re definitely right on established reason, logic, and precedent, but people can argue that they have points for all of those things that support abortion rights and points that support restrictions abortion. To basically anyone either side is established reason, logic, and precedent.

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          People who use “tyranny of the majority” seriously seem to prefer the “tyranny of a specific minority” - which is the only existing alternative.

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        Too bad it’s not based on either right now. Majority rule is far from perfect, but minority rule tends to be worse. Law exclusively based on logic and reason may be a noble goal, but the most dangerous and extreme ideologues believe their arguments to be perfectly reasonable. At some point someone has to decide what is logical. Who? And how are they selected?

        Until we have good answers to these questions I’m in favor of democratic systems.

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    Tyranny is not applicable here because the supreme court ruling did not ban abortion. Individual state laws can be tyrannical, but I think a lot of them are supported by the majority in the state.

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    Wholeheartedly agree. Last year my FWB decided against keeping the baby and we couldn’t do absolutely nothing because she was 3 days to term. She felt like her body belongs to government, not her.