We can assume how hexbear users feel about themselves. I’d be more interested in how local users feel.

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    4chan level dipshittery with a left-extremist coat of paint. Avoid at all costs.

    Their whole shtick is politicizing any and everything, and getting mad when people enjoy anything remotely relating to or the product of capitalism.

    Also they aggressively support the CCP and USSR and bash anyone who disagrees, so… That should really be all you need to know.

    Rarely is there any sort of debate with these people… Their whole philosophy is simply dunking and gotchas

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      The communists are fucking exhausting. You can not debate them because any evidence that is presented they just call propaganda. North Korea is misrepresented in the west and is actually a great place to live.

      Its like, what they believe and what I believe aren’t too far apart. They have a lot of great ideas, but they will not accept anything less than total agreement that any communist government is nothing but roses and utopia, regardless of what actual evidence says. They’re no different in mindset than the MAGA crowd when it comes to blind acceptance of what they’re being fed regardless of how much evidence contradicts their viewpoint.

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        Wow there cowboy!

        Don’t mix up Communists and tankies! You can be a communist or socialist (not as far left) without defending the so called communist States that have existed in our history!

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              No.

              I want equity, not equality.

              Not everyone has the same needs. I have more needs than most folks, unfortunately, and have had people be real damn swarmy about the “extra” things I am fortunate enough to be afforded because of it.

              Historically, those with disabilities, special needs, and other things are NOT treated well under communism. They are considered a burden because of their extra needs.

              Anyone who preaches against ableism should think real damn hard if they think that communism is compatible with anti-ableism. Calling out people who use the word “retard” ain’t shit if your actually ideology is staunchly not actually supportive of the handicapped & disabled.

              And before folks decide to dog-pile this post and say “OH, so you think capitalism is the better way, huh??” Fucking, no, obviously! I don’t have all the answers, but I can confidently say that communism ain’t it.

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                There’s a huge difference between communism the ideology and communism as it’s “been applied” historically and the ideology probably can’t work in a big society because humans are humans…

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              In what context? Laws? Yes equally. Economically, yes! Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they like… Oh wait that’s exactly the opposite of socialism…

              Communism and Socialism are just making shure everyone has it somewhat equally bad and are absolutely Undemocratic and Prone to turn into Dictatorships (as seen in every commie/socialist country ever)

              What is a good idea is a social market economy. Still democracy, Everyone gets the help they need, everyone can do whatever they want with their lives.

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                Social market economy = socialism, go check the real definition of the word. Economic equality is communism.

                There’s also a huge difference between communism the way it’s defined and communism the way some have tried to implement it and there’s no proof that is viable outside of small communities. It doesn’t mean the concept is bad, it means humans are bad at equality.

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                  So we talk about muricaland definitions…

                  No, you talk about that for yourself, i don’t want to talk to people using the muricaland definitions.

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      Mind you, this is simply my experience and what I’ve seen. I’m sure there are decent people there, but there are probably plenty of decent 4channers as well.

      Doesn’t make the general population any less undesirable

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    Im a European left wing queer person, ive organised occupations, I’ve done door knocking and leaflet-ing detail, I’ve mocked many a liberal

    Hexbear deny genocides, which is… pretty fucking bad. And they’re fuckin everywhere, contributing nothing of value

    Bin em

    (But i will say, this instance seems way happier to defed from hexbear than from the racist, anti-trans exploding heads, which was apparently super controversial for some reason)

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      Maybe I wasn’t here yet, but I don’t remember exploding-heads users coming by the dozen to insult and taunt us on posts on our own instance. That’s the behavior that has people up in arms about Hexbear. If instead they just made the occasional post in support of genocide to “own” the USA, I think there would be a lot less support for defederation.

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      EH had 10 people, only two of which were actively posting outside of their instance

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      first of all, props for organizing.

      denying genocide

      This is way too swift and easy a dismissal. Things are bad in Xinjiang, but there is undeniably also a lot of bullshit floating around on the topic. Even the UN concedes there is no mass killing or organ harvesting. A lot of claims come from known bullshitters like Adrien Zens, the folks at Radio Free Asia, the NED, and other sources connected to the US state department. Xinjiang is a complex topic and should be discussed in a complex way, not just “anyone who disputes any aspect of the prevailing western narrative is a genocide denying monster.”

      A million Iraqis died because Americans believed a fake story in 2003. More died in the 90s because Americans believed the Nayirah testimony. But if you had gone on an internet forum in 2003 and tried to debunk the Iraqi WMD reports, you would have looked like Charlie from IASIP with the red strings all over the wall.

      There were forged documents showing Saddam had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. There was testimony from a fake Iraqi nuclear scientist named Khidir Hamza. There were accounts of stockpiles of chemical weapons in glass capsules. There were diagrams of mobile chemical weapons manufacturing systems. There were the aluminum tubes, alleged to be parts for uranium enrichment equipment. There were names and dates and purchasing records, interviews, witnesses, I mean the list goes on, I’m scratching the surface. And the politicians and the media for both parties all vouched for the information and relentlessly pushed the case.

      It seems trivial now, but the story was persuasive at the time, and debunking it was no easy task. If America didn’t drag multiple countries into an expensive war based on that story, the details never would have been scrutinized to such an extent, and we would probably still believe it.

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        But if you had gone on an internet forum in 2003 and tried to debunk the Iraqi WMD reports, you would have looked like Charlie from IASIP with the red strings all over the wall.

        I was there back then and people were calling bullshit. Heck, even Canada’s Prime Minister called bullshit and found an excuse not to join the USA while not pissing them off by calling them liars.

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        Two points: First, the US engaged in a war of aggression and probably not specifically genocide in Iraq. This is a real difference of kind. Still criminal state activity and of course the US got away with it free (mostly) just like how it gets away with all its crimes against humanity or whatever. A better example would be the US commiting genocide on the native population, which was one of the most intense and successful ethnic extermination campaigns in history.

        Second, it was pretty obvious at the time that all that shit was made up. I called it hard and was right. So did many, many others. They were just afraid to say it out loud because the county was very, very rapidly being pushed toward turning into a fascist nightmare. (Seriously, people forget how fucked up it was.) After Colin Powell’a speech to the UN my father and i had a conversation and made a bet. If what Powell said turned out to be false then my father would leave the Republican party and stop supporting that kind of crap. If it turned out to be true i would join. Now i really didn’t want to vote Republican, had no intention of doing so, but i knew i wasn’t going to lose that bet. My father, for his part, stayed true to his word.

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          first, the US engaged in a war of aggression and probably not specifically a genocide in Iraq. This is a real difference of kind.

          The other difference is that one actually happened and the other did not.

          Also, if we were about to go to war with China, I bet it would suddenly become obvious to a lot of people that the US has been making shit up since the trade war started.

          pretty obvious

          iirc around 76% of Americans supported the Iraq war.

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            The other difference is that one actually happened and the other did not.

            Oh my fucking god, this is so fucking tedious. China has said outright they’re doing stuff that might qualify as genocide, they just disagree about the definition/whether it counts. It’s not nearly as cut and dry as you seem to think.

            iirc around 76% of Americans supported the Iraq war.

            Yeah, i was around, i remember. That people refused to see doesn’t make it goddamn obvious. It was a real Emperor’s new clothes situation.

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          The point of the Iraq lie isn’t simply a redirection that “the US also does it.” it’s that the empire is capable of widescale deception to manufacture consent when the need arises. you may have realized it was a crock, but enough people were fooled the wholesale destruction of multiple sovereign nations went off without a hitch. “Bush lied, people died” only became the majority opinion after they had gotten away with it. Even now the popular consensus is that “mistakes were made,” not that there was a wilful deception for the sake of expanding US global military hegemony.

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            I mean if you’re trying to make some kind of “government bad” argument, i’m an Anarchist i’m already on board with that.

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      I think the issue with EH was that at that point registration was still free for all and Lemmygrad was already defederated so there were more right wing users that figured the place was open to them…,

      Also the decision process wasn’t established yet…

      But you can be sure that HB will come in droves to hijack the discussion when it gets created…

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      Do you have any good resources for neighborhood detail? Or would it be very area / demographic / community specific?

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      Hexbear deny genocides

      Everyone is a “genocide denier,” unless you believe in “The Great Replacement” and white genocide, for instance. But there’s a big difference between denying made up bullshit like that and denying well-documented genocides, which we do not do.

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      Hexbear deny genocides

      What? who? No. We deny alleged genocides that lack supporting evidence like the Uyghur “genocide” created by Zenz the cristo-fascist and Nazi sympathiser. We also deny the labelling of the Holodomor as genocide because it was caused by selfish kulak farmers resisting collectivization by burning crops and killing livestock and effected many ethnicities including Russians.

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        It’s not just one guy saying it, there’s more evidence than that.

        Also fuck you on the Holodomor. That kind of shit is why people don’t take you seriously.

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    “I think I’m going to read about watering cans today. Let’s check out c/wateringcans. Hmm, this post has 1200 comments, must be a lot of discussion about watering cans. Wow, that’s a lot of politics in the watering can community.”

    They chilled a bit since the defederations but they still come on strong.

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    Tankie trolls. The equivalent of The_Donald in behaviour and toxicity, with an MO of deliberate brigading and trolling, especially on smaller instances.

    They are a net negative to the entire concept of lemmy.

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      They are big with the trolling. While their own communities in their instance are unpolitical they move everywhere else to smear their shit on every other instance. One user called me a Holocaust denier for believing Russia invaded Poland first. On Blahaj.zone the Admin was called a genocide enabler because one hexbear user wasn’t allowed to bring politics to every thread.

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        While their own communities in their instance are unpolitical

        First of all, how dare you.

        This is the first time I have ever seen Hexbear accused of being unpolitical and tbh it kinda cuts deeper than any of the other accusations that get thrown at us.

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    Disclaimer: I’m not a SIJW local, but wanted to pop my 2¢ in the discussion.

    I see Hexbear as a hard left instance, with a very unique culture derived from their political views, downvotes being disabled, and the 1000s of custom emojis at their fingertips.

    Their popular posts seem to be mostly jokey and unserious (comparable to our memes communities) however comments are usually a different story, where we’re text first and they’re emoji-first. Where us on the tiddeRverse mostly have the ability to downvote unconstructive takes and upvote others challenging them, Hexbear usually leans towards commenting emojis, and there being lots of them, what would usually just be upvotes/downvotes on a text post turn into a very visual personification of how they feel about your perspective.

    Politics - this is probably the only thing I don’t like. We know that quite a few things boil down to politics, but it can get tiring when almost every post in [email protected] and similar communities have similar variations of the same comment loads of times. It makes it difficult to discuss the actual news article itself when most comments are taking the country leadership to the metaphorical laundromat.

    Ukraine stance - From what I’ve observed, most are in support of the war being stopped. If you dig into the weeds and see what sides people are on, it varies.

    Dunking. The political dunking can get tiring. But do you know what I can absolutely get behind? Calling out people who are intolerant of queer individuals. I was absolutely pleased to see a user (who tried to push their intolerant line of thinking) get absolutely dunked on by Hexbear, without a single ppb too. Usually our mods just delete LGBT intolerant comments and move on, which gives way to persistent trolls creating alts on other instances to annoy mods (a story shown in the modlog over and over).

    Occasionally I’ve run into some really nice discussion threads on /all and not even realised it was a Hexbear community. This actually leads me on to something else - some discussions on lemmy.world to tend to have a very hexbear-like passionate attitude about politics, one thread recently made me double check what instance the comm was on, because it felt very hexbeary despite literally being defederated from them. Discoveries like that make me laugh when I see how each side calls out the other without realising perhaps they’re both human, and the difference is a cultural and communication barrier of sorts.

    Brigading. I think the root cause of this is the tendency for Hexbear posts to link directly to our discussion threads, instead of just posting a screenshot (common courtesy on the tiddeRverse as far as I’m aware, to prevent this very issue) which encourages the Hexbear discussion to shift to the linked thread, rather than stay on Hexbear. It’s a bit of a problem as it can drown out local perspectives, considering Hexbear’s sizable and mostly unified userbase.

    My opinion of Hexbear is mostly neutral. They are vocal, vibrant, and their culture may not fit in everywhere, especially if you’re on one of the lemmy.ml news communities where they tend to get politically active. I block a lot of politics comms so it’s likely I’m not seeing the worst of it.

    Their users appear extremely varied looking at discussions, although overall more unified. It’s possible an extremely vocal subgroup is painting a picture for the whole instance though when we look at the types of tiddeRverse posts that attract their attention.

    To wrap up, I’ve noticed some hexbear culture is starting to leak over into the tiddeRverse, but it’s not the everything-is-politics stuff so I’m mostly fine with this personally - just an interesting observation if anything

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      tiddeRverse

      I just googled this word, and the only person using it is you.

      What exactly do you mean by it, and how is hexbear not part of it?

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        It’s a portmanteau of Reddit (reversed) and fediverse. Capital R because “tidder” is already a word, although that gets a bit of use here on Lemmy lol.

        Generally I use it to describe the new users, communities and instances that joined the fediverse during the Reddit migration

        Hexbear, Beehaw, Lemmygrad etc have existed long before the migration and mostly developed their own cultures distinguishing them from the new arrivals

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            Oh okay… not too sure what I’d replace it with, since Redditverse sounds even worse imo.

            Easy fix though - block me, you probably won’t see it used anywhere else lol

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              If you want a more obvious reason to stop using that word, it literally reads as “titty verse” with a capital R in the middle that just confuses things.

              Your using what’s well-known as “camelCase” where the capital letter denotes the first letter of the next word, except you’re using it as the last letter and spelling the word backwards.

              Maybe its just me, but the combination of all that and my previous comment makes me loathe the word. It fucks up my brain and I hate it. It’s the exact opposite of a useful token of language.

              For the love of language, stop using it!

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              Why use reddit in the name at all? Who really cares if some of us are reddit expats? Why do we need to be called out and constantly reminded we’re from reddit?

              Just say Lemmy.

              Lemmy was written by ex reddit users. We’re all from reddit, with the exception of the occasional random user who’s never used it. Different instances have different cultures. Being “from reddit” isn’t a culture.

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    Looking at their collective behavior in https://sh.itjust.works/post/4188546 I’m for defederating. The sheer enthusiasm for brigading and spewing insults shown there makes me think the instance should be blocked except for a whitelist (or, to be politically correct, allowlist) of permitted users who have shown the ability to contribute more than insults.

    Edit: https://sh.itjust.works/post/4245984 as well, where a Hexbear calls an image mocking Xi Jinping personally “racist”.

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      I don’t see a single comment in that thread from a hexbear user. What am I doing wrong right?

      Oh, its a sh.itjust.works thread, and I’m seeing the Lemmy.world copy. I’m assuming Lemmy.world defederates hexbear.

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        Your are correct, lemmy.world preemptively defederated them when hexbear was initially debating opening to the broader lemmy network.

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        Exactly, comrade!!

        Now tell us how your going to put them up against a wall and execute them when you start your glorious revolution.

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    Other than shilling for genocidal regimes I’ve seen them brigade such posts after they refederated recently. This kind of behavior is unacceptable in my book regardless of what ideology you subscribe to.

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    Please please please defederate ASAP! Today I got lots of hexbear posts in my feed, and a lot of them mocked the “”“ultra-liberals”“” on sh.itjust.works. Even communities, which at first glance don’t seem to be about politics, just post anti-literally-anyone-who-is-not-a-tankie content. I especially love how apparently the Uyghur genocide is a media lie.

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    I just can’t wait for full instance blocking. I haven’t seen them offer anything but vitriol, just horribly toxic, seems like an instance of trolls. I block their communities when they pop up. I don’t really want to advocate for defederating but I’ll definitely be blocking their instance personally.

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      Nah defederate and done, they would put gigantic strain on the mods otherwise. I know this whole “we don’t want to defederate others because some people might want it” but 1. Thats not worth it and leaving the problems to our mods 2. If people want it they can make a account there.

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      If you’re a mobile user Connect, Sync, and probably others have already added this.

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    I hadn’t heard of them before today. After today, I want them defederated as soon as possible. They are exhausting at the best of times, and those times are few and far between.

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    Fash and tankies aren’t what I want to see in my feed, and I’m fairly sure there were a large number of (ShJW member) comments saying exactly that in the defederate exploding heads thread

    After the painfully long time it took to deal with the defederate vote for exploding heads and imaqtpie’s post on hexbear federating yesterday I doubt we’re defederating, so I’ll go find somewhere else to hang out. Lemmy world has blocked them according to another poster.

    I’ve been on internet communities since the days of dialup BBS’ and there’s a really simple pattern. A swarm of bright eyed ideologues descends then every conversation becomes about their cause whether you like it or nor. I’ve watched the locusts swarm in and ruin so many communities it’s a lay down misere what happens next.

    No one has their politics changed by an online missionary it just annoys the recipents of the preaching and gives a little triumphant glow to the proselytiser “I told them the only one truth. MY truth”

    As for the “just block them” proponents - that doesnt work where it’s a swarm. It only works if it’s a small number, because the swarm crowds out all other conversation killing the community.

    Defederate hexbear. They’re no different to Lemmygrad. Tankies and fash shouldn’t be allowed at the table. They operate in bad faith.

    Won’t be responding to any HB comments so rollout your usual insults (we saw your methods in the thread yesterday). I won’t be reading them

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    I’m the laziest person ever and I’m still gonna have to switch instances if we don’t defederate these posts and comments from hexbear are just too annoying

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    I’m moving to Lemmy.world until this instance defederates. I’m not going to deal with this wumao crap.