The irony is that if they were merely antifascists that were dunking on racists and transphobes, a lot of people would genuinely appreciate them. The tankie brain-rot ruins that though.
“You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the fascists, not join them!”
Although, tbf, I think I’d still be somewhat annoyed at Hexbear style discourse even if it was oriented towards a good cause. Much less annoyed, of course, but “I know you are but what am I?”, Sea Lioning, Gish Galloping, and images of pigs pooping on their own balls are not great for the tone of any community.
Let’s face it, these people are run-of-the mill internet trolls who are working with a politics angle. Their only cause is distruption of online communities for shits and giggles. Treat them like any other troll - block on user level, defederate on instance level.
these people a literally cultists.
Same as the the MAGAts
Y’all “antiTankies” are just as much of a cult tbh
I’m in neither boat but believe we can wall work together for a better future
Find some common ground to bring down billionares instead
Are you seriously suggesting that if we just talk to them we can come to a compromise? Because they’re absolutely not interested in compromise, that’s why they’re like MEGA. They are absolutely categorically not interested in anyone else’s point of view, all they want to do is beat you repeatedly over the head with a big stick until you agree with them, or at least say you agree with them.
The world does not need ultra nationalists. We’ve had them before and they don’t make things better.
Both groups can just fuck off.
If that ground involves claiming that the Holodomor was the fault of the farmers, then I want nothing to do with it.
Big “antifa are the real fascists” energy.
North Korea calls itself democratic, they’re not. A name is just a name sometimes
whoosh
Okay, Im actually confused now. Whats the joke?
I’d agree with you, if Hexbears weren’t so obnoxious and cultish. First, they will hit you over the head with 20 different links on why the Tiananmen Square massacre was actually a fake, how the Uyghur genocide is fake as well, how China is the bestest democracy to ever have graced the earth and if you dare cite Wikipedia, you’re just spewing CIA talking points. They are anti-billionaire only to the extend they can blame the US for. And if you won’t play their little game of debunking all the drivel they throw at you, they just start to post their pig shit image. There’s a reason they have it hot-linked on their instance: https://www.hexbear.net/PPB (NSFW)
Oh that’s what that image is, lol that’s disgusting.
Ah yes, that central tenet of communism, “compensation”.
Yup, logically inconsistent, and if you confront them about it they tell you they are just being “le masters of irony”.
communism in theory is vastly superior to whatever we have now. But in practice it’s entirely inept for the human race. Maybe we should consider some sort of meritocracy that doesn’t rely on bottom up or top down extremes. Transparency and equal opportunity should be the core tenants
communism in theory is vastly superior to whatever we have now. But in practice it’s entirely inept for the human race.
I’m assuming that what you are referring to as ‘communism’ is actually Marxism-Leninism, they’'re different things. Yes, state socialism (Marxism) has proven that it can end badly, but it’s not the only way to implement socialism, others have proven or are proving they can work.
Maybe we should consider some sort of meritocracy
Real meritocracy doesn’t exist, not without real communism first. Each generation inherits a set of inequalities from the previous one, ignoring them to only focus on achievements becomes a tool for the powerful to justify their power (I received a small loan of a million dollar and did fine, that means I deserve living life on easy mode; meanwhile the poor guy that dropped out of school to pay the bills didn’t work hard enough to lift himself out of poverty).
Revolutionary Catalonia existed for weeks and really shouldn’t be used as an example of proving the success of anything. It simply wasn’t around long enough for if to do much.
While the Kurdish groups are interesting they exist within a larger state that is taking on several roles of the state, such as maintaining the larger economy, so that the Kurds do not have to do so. Thus the Kurds aren’t proving the efficacy of their system independent of a capitalist system as it is in a capitalist nation-state.
I don’t think you have good examples here.
Revolutionary Catalonia existed for weeks
More like 2-3 years. Yes, it’s still not much, but not mere weeks either. There were also other anarchist territories at the time and they all worked under socialist principles, none of them caused famines, deportations nor genocides; they don’t exist anymore because they got betrayed and hunted down by the soviets, which were authoritarian since day 1.
While the Kurdish groups are interesting they exist within a larger state that is taking on several roles of the state
The Syrian state? During a civil war? Like, what roles?
And is it actually the state taking those roles? At the end of the day, all politicians do is sign papers, the world is shaped by the workers. It’s workers that build and run hospitals, railways etc. If workers under the Syrian state can make the electricity run, why would the same workers suddenly not be able to anymore “under” the kurds?
I don’t think you have good examples here.
How about the Zapatistas, then? They’re around since the 90s and they’re independent from the Mexican state.
To be fair, nearly everything is superior to the real world if we confine ourselves to theory
May I offer: Mutualism?
ahaha, god that’s so pathetic
If they think they’re having any real effect on anything then they majorly need to touch some grass.
This is the reality of their “dunking on user bases”
There’s plenty of correct ways to criticize them, you don’t need to resort to ableist slurs my dude. We can be better than that.
I’m autistic, and I don’t need you to be offended for my sake.
It’s very possible to offer constructive criticism without having been offended.
Absolutely!
but in this case, I don’t see the use of retard offensive. If it was directed at people with actual learning disabilities, then yeah, definitely.
Its to call people retards when theyre being retards. Its only an issue if they are actually cognitively challenged
Calm down
No u
clutches pearls well I never!
Meanwhile in my Lemmy app…
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Which app do you use that has instance filters? I’m using Liftoff and I didn’t find an option for that and I’d really like to filter some shit instances
Connect has instance and community blocks.
As suggested, Connect. Excellent filter capabilities. My feed is pretty enjoyable now, at least on my phone. The only thing I’m missing is filtering out comments with specific keywords but that isn’t a huge issue. I downvote and occasionally block a user if they just post an emoji or a pun.
I even have a “system”:
- Instances with annoying users like those on hexbear, blahaj or lemmygrad: complete instance block.
- Communities which I have no interest in: block
- Spam bots reposting articles, reddit threads or links to some random blog post: instance/user block depending on context and how many posts per hour they spit out.
- Too many posts about the same subject that I don’t care about: keyword block. Absolute bliss when Elon Musk and Donald Trump is gone.
I only interact with content that I find interesting. Not a huge fan of defederation if it’s not pedo paradise or spam bot/troll farm. There are some good tutorials online on how to tie a noose if one of those two are your thing. Everyone has the right to an opinion and I have the right to ignore crazies.
Sounds cool!
Can you turn these on or off at any time? For those times when you wanna read some chaos?
Connect will block instances or communities. Several instances like .world have defederated hexbear at this point (as everyone should), so that’s an option too.
Sync has it but not for comments I believe.
It’s weird how they can’t seem to realize they’re literally exactly the same as trumpers. They’re just tanky Qanon. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
They are beyond delusional.
How is this instances not just lemmy grad they believe the same things and act the same.
- lemmygrad: Genocide denial
- hexbear: Genocide denial, but in vaporwave
Wow, this is amazing. Not at all like what happened at reddit…
Honestly I’m pretty sure the coup part happened on reddit. I feel like I witnessed multiple subs get taken over by tankies.
ToiletPaperUSA almost got couped. Like, in a nearly literal sense. One of the mods expelled like half of the other mods for the crime of not being tankies and started censoring anti-China posts.
My political alignment is anti-communism, they are going to have a difficult time if they try to radicalize here.
I align somewhere near communism/socialism/anarchism. They are so fucking stupid though. They will argue that a political class taking all control is good for the working class. The goal of communism is to transfer control to the working class, though there is an argument to be made the methods of getting there require some form of government control first. They don’t care that things in China are being consolidated still. They’re authoritarian first, not communist.
Even the title Tankie is too undeserving of them, they don’t care aboutbany of that shit. They are authoritarian bootllickers and that is all.
What country are you from?
I mean, we don’t need to spread toxicity on the fediverse by making fun of folks. I thought we left that behind. If hexbear users become a problem, they can be blocked. Otherwise let folks be whatever they want. We don’t need to recreate the same shitty subs from reddit that just exist to make fun of people.
On the contrary, mocking tankies and fascists wherever they are found is good and necessary.
Tankies and fascists must never feel welcome, and for the same reasons. Even Chompskyites, monarchists, and ancaps pale in comparison. Tankies and fascists have no interest in being part of a functioning community that isn’t run by them.
… though I might suggest making ancaps unwelcome simply to avoid the inevitable age of consent arguments.
Why did you say fascist twice?
I won’t normally try to correct people on it, but fascists and tankies aren’t quite the same. The latter are vile authoritarians, but fascism is a more specific thing, even if it’s still kind of fuzzy and hard to nail down.
Though if you just meant it as a joke, carry on. o7
Tankies are vile human beings with an ultimately good goal (even if no real way of achieving it with their methods).
Fascists are vile human beings with vile goals.
well said comrade. here’s a ration
You’re starting to sound exactly like them. That’s virtually the same type of emphatic shit they’d say to justify their dunk tank bullshit.
Paradox of tolerance, my friend. To maintain a tolerant society, you cannot tolerate intolerance.
Or, in other words: Tolerance is a social contract. When others break that social contract, you have the right to respond in kind.
Outright denying genocides and praising Putin’s aggression in Ukraine is what I’d call intolerant. I don’t care what your pronouns are or how LGBTQ friendly you are, supporting fascism and genocide is not okay and breaks the social contract we have.
You sound exactly like them, I can’t tell the difference.
Your failures are evident.
The only failure happening, is Lemmy still showing me notifications from y’all impotent toxic avengers in this community, after I blocked it multiple hours ago. So I’ll just start dishing them out individually. Enjoy.
That’s a lot of copium you got there
Could you specify which parts in the comment you replied to which sounds like tankies? They described the paradox of tolerance perfectly as well as summarised the viewpoints of tankies, neither of which any tankies would say themselves.
So you can see why people are wondering about your bizarre remark, and some may even suspect you to have been disingenous.
I don’t see cacheson denying genocide or celebrating authoritarianism.
As I alluded to in another comment, I’m not necessarily against the dunking itself, I’m against the death cult ideology that they bring with them. If you find that kind of mockery annoying, then this probably isn’t a community you want to involve yourself in.
We don’t need to recreate the same shitty subs from reddit that just exist to make fun of people.
That’s literally a sub that hexbear has. Dunking on libs. That’s one of the core tenets of hexbear. (I’m not pro or anti hexbear, but they espouse the literal thing you’re defending them for.)
I’m not defending them? I’m just saying we don’t need to create a community to make fun of others. I just think if that’s all that instance is, block it or ask the instance defederate it.
ask the instance defederate it.
That’s in progress. The reason for the recent flurry of activity on this community is that hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, and the users of both instances seem to now be pretty unhappy with that decision.
I’m fine with Hexbear users. They’re actually funny compared to their lemmygrad sisters.
Both of these instances, hexbear and lemmygrad, have similar communities that are much older and much larger. Are you going to go to each of these communities and make the same demands?
I’d like you to make this exact same comment on those instances as well. They have identical communities.
We must make it clear to others before their minds are infected by communist “ideas”. It’s good to shatter the delusion before they are more emboldened
The issue with hexbear isn’t communism…
