Really funny too because it was the USSR that gave them their independence.
“They will never forgive us for it”
Fascist 80 years ago, fascist today
Yep
Finland: Bootlicking fascists since 1939.
since 1939
Freedom and democracy. Free speech. Civilized world.
Right 😂
Fascists gonna fash
What a joke. The government consisting of neoliberals and nazis banning communist symbols, when the communist parties of Finland get like 0,1 % of the total vote every single election. Stalin should not have stopped at Tali-Ihantala.
Heated NATO moment
Then just make a new symbol, the sickle is not as representative today as it used to be when it was invented anyways, since agriculture is more industrialised now, at least in Finland.
Hammer and sickle is over ❌🙅 Time to use tractor and keyboard 🚜⌨️✅💪
I’m sympathetic to the Juche symbol as well.
They can’t ban stars and the color red, lmao. So long as those are around they’ll be good.
Don’t give them ideas.
The problem is that they’ll just ban the new symbol if it gains enough traction
Of course, but that’s dialectics for you. There is no eternally solved problem with no negative effects.
This maybe
Based.
I fucking love this symbol.
I’d be lying if I said I was surprised
I’m only surprised it took them this long
Isn’t it weird how we’ve collectively gone back in time 50 years to the Cold War? It’s become more and more common to hear libs and conservative call each other commies, the Hammer and Sickle are being banned, and Capitalists talk about the Russian Federation like it’s the actual Soviet Union.
also isn’t it weird how communism is to blame for every problem in this society created by a hegemonic capitalist system?
pretty funny in its own way that the fall of the soviet union didn’t end the cold war
Few years ago they banned the swastika from their airforce
More messed up is that it took them this long to do it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) The air force academy still has the swastica in its flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_Air_Command And many other units under finnish airforces
I regularly see people try to defend Finland using it because it predates nazism, but so what. Acknowledging it is forever tainted by association and that maybe they should distance themselves from it isn’t admitting some type of defeat.
People probably rocked Hitler moustaches before him too, but you don’t see people running around with them anymore (except one comedian in my country that I absolutely despise).
Actually no, they are still using it
The trufinns party demands the existence of falsefinns. Thank you liberals for allowing them to rule.
stalin shouldn’t have stopped at berlin
Communism = Nazis.
Based Finland ❤️🇫🇮
Interesting who liberated Auschwitz?
Finland has not banned the Swastika, had the swastika on their airforce logo until very recently, and actively sided with the nazis in ww2
Finland = Nazi.
Please Russia, our people yearn for liberation.
I’ll remember to volunteer you for the frontlines of the nuclear armageddon war!
cum
I’m not gonna say I agree with this or defend censorship but when your country got invaded by the most famous communist country in history and had a bad time under their rule, then it’s quite understandable why people there don’t like symbols associated with said country.
The entire affair is just a mess of history. A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
Look who was constantly working for the independence of Finland from the Russian Empire (bolsheviks), look who actually did helped and allowed Finland to become independent (bolsheviks), look what happened in Finland after independence (revolution was drowned in blood by protofascists), look who supported white army general Yudenich invasion of RSFSR (Finland plus Estonia and UK), look who supported head white general Kolchak even though Kolchak explicitly denied Finland independence (Finnish “hero” Mannerheim).
Finnish counterrevolutionary romance, or more actually marriage with fascism didn’t started in 1940, it started in 1917 by attacking communists with the help of every protofash possible.
I didn’t say that the dislike for the symbol was rational; I just said that I understand how people could come to dislike it.
You thought Finland was part of the Soviet Union, maybe you should just go educate yourself.
You mean, except over century of being governed and/or allied by fascists?
>“I’m not gonna say I agree with this or defend it…”
>Proceeds to agree with it and defend itI hope your realise that people can understand why others think in a certain way without agreeing with that way of thinking. You seem to think that because I said that I can understand why Finnish people might not like the hammer and sickle, I must therefore support banning it. I don’t.
It doesn’t matter what you intended to do. You ended up defending Finland’s decision. People are not going to pour over your background and study your life in details to say “NateNate60 is a swell guy”. They’re going to read your previous comment and say yeah, you defended Finland banning communist symbols because they allied with the nazis 80 years ago and are still salty about getting their ass handed to them when they joined in the siege of Leningrad.
Curiously, liberals always try to “put in the shoes” of the fascists but never of the commies.
One of the many curiosities of the world along with the bearded lady (she has a hormonal imbalance) and Houdini’s daring escapes.
Gonna start using SAL (scratch a liberal)
If you’re doing a devil’s advocate of something you don’t support, you should critique it.
Otherwise it has “I’m not racist but insert racism” vibes
Considering you phrased it “[their] country got invaded” by the USSR, there seems to be some real overlap
A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
Most informed liberal.
Finland was never communist though. When the Russian Empire became the Soviet Union, the Finnish government asked to secede, and Stalin (who was minister for nationalities) convinced everyone to let them have independence. Finland then became independent without a fight.
Even after the winter war Finland never became communist.
I would not say without a fight. The Finnish Whites massacred the Finnish Reds (…and by extension anyone at all thought to be sympathetic to workers).
https://www.marxists.org/archive/serge/1930/year-one-sa/finland2.html
The victors massacred the vanquished. Since ancient times class wars have always been the most frightful. There are no more bloody and atrocious victories than the victories of reactionary classes. Since the blood-bath inflicted on the Paris Commune by the French bourgeoisie, the work had not seen anything comparable to the horrors of Finland. From the first shot of the civil war, “belonging to a workers’ organization in White territory meant arrest; to have been an official in such organization meant execution. The massacre of socialists reached such proportions that it ended by interesting no one.” At Kummen, where 43 Red Guards fell in battle, nearly five hundred persons were executed! There were “hundreds” executed at Kotka, a town of thirteen thousand inhabitants. “They didn’t even ask their names; they just led them away in groups.” At Raumo, according to a bourgeois newspaper, “five hundred prisoners captured on May 15 got the punishment they deserved the same day.” “April 14 in Toeloe, a suburb of Helsingfors, two hundred Red Guards were killed with machine guns … The Reds were hunted from house to house. Many women perished.” At Sveaborg the public executions were set for Trinity Sunday. In the neighborhood of Lakhtis, where the Whites took thousands of prisoners, “the machine guns worked several hours a day.” “On one day alone two hundred women were killed with dumdum bullets; pieces of flesh flew in every direction.”
Finland was socialist for a short while before their revolution was drowned in blood by reactionaries. Also it’s not just “Stalin convincing everyone”, Finland independence or at least autonomy was one of the constant communist points since tsar crackdowned on Finland in 1890’s.
and had a bad time under their rule
A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
I’d like to hear more about this alternative history you got rolling around your skull where Finland became communist. I live in the reality where they joined nazis (as Stalin new they would, which is why he had to move the border away from Leningrad), participated in starving a city to death and threw POWs into death camps, not the other way around. And then they turned around, seeing the writing on the wall, and avoided justice that way.
And now they’re still nazis.
