No one mentions that prison is supposedly about reforming people rather than punishing them? Maybe just in more civilized societies. Oh .world yea
You only think about the O’Brien experience… What about the Picard experience? Experience a whole second life in 8.5 hours. Learn how to play an instrument and what it’s like to be loved.
The richest man in the world is currently creating Skynet and robots. His favorite film is clearly The Terminator.
Not to mention the chip in the brain stuff. I mean, tech-wise, it’s amazing and helped that paralyzed guy… But conspiracy theory-wise?? Like, where are the idiots who flipped out about the 5g cellular stuff? A computer chip implant to the brain could be interpreted as mind control, for sure!
Which reminds me that scientists just altered a baby’s genes to fix some sort of disease in the womb and that’s an extremely fkn slippery slope to eugenics. Tech-wise, amazing. Conspircy-wise, what the FUCK
“We found a drug that extends someone’s perception of time. Imagine having small moments of extended peace during a busy week, or time to decompress after trauma, or using it to prolong pleasurable moments…”
“Okay but what if we used it to make hell a reality?”
When you said busy week it kinda clicked lmao.
What if we got 7 day work week with 12 hours a day, but you get one single 8 minute break with this stuff.
Well either that or underperforming employees get 2 minutes in the time prison idk.
Jokes on them I LOVE the time prison
I’ll spend a thousand years learning to speak in limericks and then we’ll see who’s in a prison of cruel design
Perhaps in civilized countries it will be used that way.
But for others the appeal of slave labor, political donations, and bloodlust as justice is too strong.
Didn’t we literally have an episode of DS9 about this? O’Brien tries to kill himself because of it.
Hard Time, 4x19
I believe there was an episode of Black Mirror that showed that this was a heinous idea.
yes, White Christmas. And it still hunts me
Same here. That is in my top 3 soul crushing Black Mirror episodes. The others are “15 Million Merits” and “White Bear”. It can be hard to watch that show, especially the older seasons.
I really miss that sense of dread the older episodes invoked. I can’t seem to find anything else like it, not even the best of new black mirror. I’ll take recommendations of any medium really. It’s one of my favorite genres? Vibes? Idk.
I’ve also been looking for that sort of thing. Only one I’ve found is electric sheep, and it’s not… idk it’s not quite as uncomfortable?
Do you know of any others I may not? 😀
There was also an episode in star trek
Tap for spoiler (star trek deep space nine 4:19)
Obrien is imprisoned for 20 years but it turns out he was implanted memories of imprisonment. He was only imprisoned for a few hours.
Not sure if it’s my Lemmy client but the spoiler doesn’t work for me.
Bummer! Must be your client. It works when i check the web view and on the voyager app i use 99% of the time (highly recommend it!)
I’ll check that out! Thanks!
It’s also an O’Brian must suffer episode in DS9.
Also used as a plot point in Altered Carbon
You young’uns. I immediately thought of The Outer Limits with David Hyde Pierce: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0667983/
I bet there’s a Twilight Zone episode that does it too that someone will tell me I’ve missed, lol.
Also sounds like the movie “Otherlife”
If this is not a PRIME example of what the 8th amendment is trying to prevent, I don’t know what is.
I really fucking hate the interpretation that it means it only prohibits punishments that are both cruel and unusual. I could easily see someone making the (bullshit) argument that 1,000 year sentences are not unusual. Many “life” sentences are technically hundreds of years.
Black Mirror-ass punishments.
I’m struggling to find an interpretation under which artificially extending the psychologically feelable length of the punishment of a prisoner is not unusual. Fortunately, it’s not likely to come into effect. Still, the cruelty is astounding
One might argue that because we already sentence people for hundreds of years for things that actually causing them to serve those sentences rather than dying is not unusual.
I still think it’s unusua, myself. Using substances to elicit pain is not typical.
Sentences are meant to signal for how long can the Government deprive an individual of their liberty, it under no circumstances allows the Government to torture a prisoner with psychoactive drugs. It’s specifies actual, real time, not how the prisoner perciceves it. Under the same logic, the prisoner could use the idiomatic expressions ‘it’s been a lifetime’ to claim his life sentence is served.
That’s
A) misunderstanding the subjective effects of time distortion that comes with drug use. I’ve been on trips that seemed to last a 1000 years, but I would never claim any of it to have been real and it was over in 8 hours, and I’m sure you wouldn’t treat me as having a millenium’s worth of wisdom
B) like 15 years old, Slavoj Zizek talked about them back in like 2012 or smth. It was a good video let me see if I can… no, I can’t find it.
Sometimes I think everyone should be forced to watch/read more sci-fi so that they come up with less stupid ideas. Then I remember the Torment Nexus meme.
Ah yes. Why consider funding rehabilitation programs when we could be drastically increasing the punitive aspect of incarceration?
I would think that most people, given 1000 years to grow, would come out of the experience changed for the better. There’s nothing saying that the 1000 year sentence would be torture, it could be 200 years of showing you the consequences of your actions as they had been, and then 800 years showing how to be a better person.
The real torture would be getting pulled out and realizing that while you’ve lived 1000 years, you’re now in your 20s again and everyone around you is much less mature than you are.
Or its just 1000 years in an empty cell and you come out of it irreversably catatonic or just go brain dead like the jaunt.
The problem is that, of course, the drugs don’t actually give you 1000 years to improve - it just temporarily ruins your ability to gauge time rather than actually extending it.
Eh, I’m more inclined to believe people would go insane during those 1000 years
Oh, for sure they’d go insane… but, eventually they’d get better. 1000 years is a long time :)
And also in many situations people then return to modern socioeconomic states where their criminal history and social status means they fight to eek out an existence while society looks down on them at every turn
And in this case, for you, the criminal, whatever you’ve done was several lifetimes ago, but got the rest of society it was yesterday, which would make that even worse
Coming at it from the other angle, I wonder how awful life would seem after a (perceived) 1000 year orgasm.
Edit: Wait, actually, would you have to orgasm normally for 8.5 hours for this to work? So at the ratio of 8.5 hours : 1000 years, I guess an 8.5 second orgasm would feel like ~101 days. Not quite as impressive.
Except psychoactive substances don’t yield the same results for everyone.
Like imagine trying to punish someone and they just have a really good trip lol. You know what, I take it back, we should definitely do this. Also, I’m becoming a bank robber.
A legal system that imposes sentences longer than a human life seems to be deeply broken.
It would be more like a salvia trip than DMT
Finally we have created the drug from the indie rpg game Endroll
- scientists inventing the torment nexus
