Are they cops?
Are the ICE?
Are they cosplayers?
Source: https://redlib.northboot.xyz/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lfe5gb/ice_brandishing_silencers/
The far better question is why they need assault rifles?
A suppressor is actually a good thing to put on any weapon. That’s why they’re becoming standard in the military. Guns are unbelievably loud, to the point that they can cause serious and permanent hearing damage to people around you when you fire them. If you’re accepting the premise that an armed police force is a good thing (I disagree, but that’s a separate discussion) it at least makes sense to minimize collateral damage. The sound of gunfire is especially dangerous indoors; if an officer was forced to fire their weapon in an environment like they could actually seriously injure innocent bystanders just from the noise alone.
On the other hand, collateral damage is exactly why a 5.56mm carbine makes no sense as a police weapon. Those rounds will go straight through a human body, straight through a brick wall, and still be lethal. You could end up killing someone you can’t even see. It used to be that when law enforcement wanted extra firepower, they used submachine guns and shotguns, weapons with very little potential for overpenetration. But then police forces all started freaking out about the idea that every criminal was going to be wearing level 3 body armour and demanding to use the same guns soldiers use (not helped by the fact that cops in the US are allowed to buy surplus military equipment at knockdown prices).
This doesn’t come from an operational need, it comes from the fact that every cop wants to cosplay at being military, but without all the hardships that actually come with that. That’s why you see federal agents and SWAT all running around in multicam and other military camo patterns, despite the fact that those patterns really don’t do much of anything in an urban environment. It’s all just dress up to make their peepees feel bigger.
Because They played a lot of counter strike
It helps with their suppression.
How do we know some abductions aren’t be carried out by white nationalists murdering the people they toss into vans?
One could, hypothetically, turn this around and use it to abduct MAGAts, no?
So the police?
People are more scared of the boogeyman than the people literally kidnapping folks off the street and sending them to concentration camps merely because they belong to a 3 letter agency with authority.
I mean…isn’t that what happens even if they actually are on the government payroll?
We don’t.
ICE are just random racists they plucked off the street last week and gave a cardboard badge they don’t have to carry. It wouldn’t surprise me if the hiring stipulation was BYOG.
they’re not random racists. They’re specific racists, that trump pardoned from federal prison like two months ago and then deputized
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idk probably because he fucked your mom in Call of Duty last night?
It’s for murdering journalists.
Why do they need AR’s in an urban domestic environment? It’s part cosplay, part intimidation factor. At least that thug is practicing proper trigger discipline.
The AR-15 is a .22 caliber rifle designed by John Browning to sell in large quantities to governments. It’s the rifle so simple that even the average US Marine can operate it. It’s got all the stopping power you need for your next trip to the nearest middle school.
I think you mean .223 or more commonly known, 5.56
Tbf, .223 and 5.56 are both .22 caliber rounds, as is .22lr, .22 short, .22 mag, 5.7x28, .22 nosler, .22-250, .224 valkyrie, .223 Wylde, etc.
Calibre (in this case .22) describes the bore diameter in inches (in this case .22 of an inch) or 5.6mm in metric.
Also 5.56 has higher pressures and a slightly different case (but it’ll fit) than .223, they’re not technically the same thing, though you can shoot .223 out of a 5.56 chamber. Not recommended to shoot 5.56 out of a .223, but tbh in most modern guns you’ll prob be fine (can’t sue me if your shit blows up.)
Enough firepower to gravely harm a 10 year old. Makes a realistic pow sound when discharged.
No, buddy, you’re confused. 5.56 is fine for killing grownups.
So is a Toyota Corolla.
Oh you’re just silly? Alright buddy. There’s juice in the fridge, help yourself okay?
Why are we giving the silly people the juice boxes? Juice boxes should be for closers.
My point is, everyone pretends an AR-15 is some high powered ultra mega death cannon. It’s a small bore rifle. It genuinely was adopted because it’s easy to teach the average Vietnam era draftee how to use it. It’s honestly no more threatening than the 9mm pistol every last beat cop wears on his hip every second of every shift. They’re both guns in the hands of maniacs.
He doesn’t need a long gun either. Or all the extra gear. He needs a bag of zip ties and a freaking badge. That’s about it.
he needs a [tool to end french monarchy]
Yeah, but we’re a ruzzian asset country now, so it’d be more fitting if they were all shoved put windows.
A decidedly non-anarchist take 🤣
He needs a new job.
Yeah but then he wouldn’t look cool and intimidating and his mommy might think less of him
These do not work the way they do in the movies. If he fired that rifle it would still be quite loud even with the suppressor on. But the difference it makes is that if he fires it indoors it won’t blast out the ear drums of everyone in the room.
I’d say the more important thing to point out with this picture is that the reason why they’re kitted out like this is that they want to discourage people confronting them as they’re committing another atrocity in plain sight. They know that people will not stand powerless much longer as someone is being kidnapped before their eyes.
Honestly the suppressor is the least egregious part of the whole setup.
Thank you, I’m glad to see someone else making this point. Like you said, there’s plenty about this that’s seriously fucked up already, the suppressor is not the problem.
But most people only know about this stuff from Hollywood (not their fault, if anything I’m grateful that the average Lemmy user has little personal knowledge of firearms, the world would be better if everyone could be so ignorant), and thinks that suppressors / “silencers” are some kind of devious tool only used by people looking to do surrupticious murders, because that’s how they’re always portrayed.
This is also why silencer bans are fucking stupid, all it does is changes it from “goodbye ear drum” to “well that was loud”, I am generalizing somewhat but my point still stands. Unless we are talking about some obscure shit like the Welrod which is ridiculously silent because like most of the damned gun is silencer, it’s more silencer than gun.
I always like to say it takes a gun from “definitely causing hearing damage” to “probably not causing hearing damage… Right away”
Great point. Silencers/suppressors are for the comfort of the person shooting the gun. Those are part of group combat in urban warfare. So they aren’t impacting themselves or their brown shirt friends with muzzle blast while shooting people inside houses or other buildings.
Silencers aren’t actually silent, they’re still quite loud, it’s nothing like in shows and movies
In real world usage, they’re really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
Suppressor is a more apt term for them
It’s the patent term, not a descriptive term. It is a perfectly viable term as it is the one used for more than 100 years.
They’re also used to reduce muzzle flash somewhat.
I’ve shot a gun with a silencer. It’s extremely quiet.
It depends on what you shoot, also. A subsonic 22lr will sound like an airgun. A 55gr 5.56 (common to AR-15s) will still be loud as shit from the sonic boom.
Of all the disgusting shit ICE/the Gestapo is doing, honestly using a suppressor is of least concern to me
Personally, I think suppressor should be the least of illegal things about firearms.
The majority of the people I know with one have it so they don’t bother their neighbors as much and they have a little extra buffer zone for their earpro.
I’d much rather it sound like my neighbor is using a large sledgehammer all day than gunshots.
The masks, lack of clear identification (not “I’m a cop” but actual identifying information), and what looks like 270 rounds of ammo waiting to go for a supposed
kidnappingdeportation are of FAR greater concern.
they’re really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
Given that a couple decibel is a big range that can mean the difference between permanent damage and no damage at all, I’d call that pretty damn useful!
But yeah, you’re otherwise absolutely right, of course 😁
Subsonic ammunition is definitely quiet
Most rifle rounds depend on speed for their energy.
A subsonic 5.56 is only going to have 15-20% the muzzle energy of a standard round at best.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a single person using subsonic 556. Subsonic 22LR? Every day. But not 556. 223? Only when hunting deer. Not for social work.
If you’re going to be spending money on getting a suppressor and shooting subsonic rounds I think most people will probably go for .300 blackout.
That’s because a subsonic 5.56 has barely more energy than a .22 LR. It probably wouldn’t even cycle the gun without modifications.
If you must shoot where there are non target animals with ears then you should protect their ears by using a suppresser. Non target includes the person holding the gun.
well if you have subsonic ammo it’s pretty silent
This hits different after just having watched several videos of people raving about the subharmonic excellence of Geoff Castelluci 😄
He absolutely murders with his subharmonic sonic ammo, is what I’m getting at 😉
Crazy amount of pitch correction and sub bass… i could only find one live performance and he’s lip synching…
i kinda wish i wasn’t a musician so i could enjoy this stuff, but he’s a poseur…I don’t know whether or not you’re a musician (though you’re giving off major false expert vibes with your snap judgment and bizarre implication that sub-bass notes are unachievable), but you’re quite simply wrong.
YOU may not have been able to find it, but here’s a video of him giving a short surface level tutorial of how he hits low notes and here’s part one of a Q&A about it where he, amongst other things, talks about subharmonics specifically.
Tl;Dr: you’re wrong and quite possibly a poseur yourself
Did anyone here say they were silent?
The title of the post quite literally uses the term “silencer”.
the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons
I mean, I’ve heard that from groups trying to pass laws to get rid of the tax stamp, but in all honesty everyone I’ve known who has a suppressor only has one because they think they are cool.
I mean you still have to wear hearing protection with them, especially if you’re at a range where the vast majority of people aren’t using a suppressor.
Why do they need masks.
because I suspect a large chunk of them are proud boys
If they’re so proud why are they wearing masks?!
haha funny riposte, but we all know their real name should be the chickenshit racist gravy seal boys… guess proud boys fits on a t-shirt easier.
So they can get away with whatever assault they want without getting doxed. Can’t let their friends and family know they’re one of the bad apples.
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They still don’t know there’s no good apples
gang members
Gang members.
Worse than gang members.
They are evil losers.
And terrorists
All cops are.
Call 911
“There’s an armed man impersonating a police officer”
