• Zoolander@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Most frameworks are garbage and most programmers that use them have no idea how they work and that makes them shitty programmers. I hate when people use frameworks without even knowing why they’re using them.

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      2 years ago

      It drives me nuts when someone on SO asked a question about JS and all the answers use jQuery. It’s not as much of an issue these days, but for a while it was almost every post. I really questioned if people knew the difference.

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          2 years ago

          Sure, but there is nothing jQuery can do that basic JS can’t, just with extra steps.

          I was working in an environment where jQuery (or other frameworks for that matter) couldn’t be used, so I had to cut my own path most of the time. I learned a lot about JS and CSS that probably would have been obscured away behind jQuery and Bootstrap had I not had those restrictions.

          If someone is asking for a solution in a particular way, there is often a reason. Too many people skip that and provide it in what they know or are currently using, instead of what the user needs. These days I can imagine someone needing help changing the text on a button and someone telling them they need React, with some overly complicated solution to just and prove how smart they are, when all the user needed was how to set the innerHTML on their button element.

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            2 years ago

            Oh I agree that questions are two often badly answered! The exemple of “why don’t you use this instead” is the worst offender. I didn’t understand you were talking about this, and I’m still traumatised by javascript after 14 years.

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        2 years ago

        Yes…and, worse yet, the jQuery responses are almost never a good way to do things or they use things that are deprecated. It’s a hot mess out there.

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        2 years ago

        This isn’t limited to JS. Too many times have I seen someone ask a question of how to do XYZ in language ABC where most of the replies were some form of “Just use this library bro” while not actually answering the question. And usually the library that’s being suggested is some big monolith that implements a ton of shit that no one really uses.

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          2 years ago

          Yeah. In my case I don’t have the option to install random libraries, so those replies aren’t helpful.

          It’s fine to call out a library that can make things easier, for those who can use it, but it can’t be the only solution.