Nah. If you want to be outraged at Google, at least be correct.
This has to do with Google “collections”, not synced bookmarks. Afaik, collections are a thing you only access on mobile through the google app, this doesn’t even have anything to do with Chrome.
If you run chrome on mobile, for example, you don’t have access to the collections. It’s only through the google app.
Almost certain they monitor collections because they can be shared with public.
They shouldn’t be monitored either way in my opinion as it’s just a bunch of links, but especially not while still private.
Ultimately I don’t think it quite matters if it technically is bookmarks or “collections”, they seem clearly used in the same manner in this case.
I don’t care if you’re mad about it like I said. I just care about accuracy. The person in the screenshot and this thread’s title are both inaccurate.
I didn’t ever indicate I was mad, I simply stated my opinion. We already know it is inaccurate as you shared this in your original comment.
Some torrent sites have been ordered to be entirely blocked in some countries so they probably have to check for them to comply with local laws.
These blocks are usually the job of the ISP’s in the country, mostly via DNS.
I don’t think a simple “collection” of URLs would ever fall under any of that.
Normally, I would fully agree with you, but well, don’t underestimate the stupidity of law makers: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/sign-our-petition-to-stop-france-from-forcing-browsers-like-mozillas-firefox-to-censor-websites/
France is always special! It’s honestly sad that they constantly try to pull so many stupid things off.
Eh… the ultimate question, what if it’s a collection of CSAM links?
Some moderation is fine, especially when it can be shared pretty easily. This isn’t private bookmarks, it’s “private” bookmark collections.
Edit: For those downvoting, this is the same concept as a private Reddit/facebook community. Just because it’s “invite only” doesn’t mean it’s free from following the rules of the whole site.
CSAM is never an excuse to violate everyone’s privacy.
I hate seeing people implying that it is. It’s no better then Patriot Act B.s that took away privacy in the name of catching terrorists.
When those links are hosted on Google servers, publicly available to anyone handed the link to them?… how is that a private space?
This isn’t reaching into your phone and checking the information you store on it, this is checking links you added and shared with others using their service. They absolutely have the right to check them.
Words used to have meaning, you know. Like, for example, the word “private”.
Private has various meanings in various contexts. If I take you to the private booth at a club, does it mean I’m allowed to slap around the waiter? No, of course not because rules still apply in private places hosted by a third party.
If you want privacy in the context you explicitly mean, you shouldn’t be using anyone else’s hardware to begin with. If you expect any third party company to be fine with posting anything on them, you’re gonna have a bad time.
For example, how many lemmy instances are fine with you direct linking to piracy torrents?
I’d not expect the private booth to have the club’s employee sitting there and waiting for me to do something that is against the rules preemptively.
We mostly argue about semantics, but in this instance you are trying to excuse some very questionable behaviour by companies by saying something along the lines of “well you better go and live in a forest then”. And I don’t think that’s a good take.
For example, how many Lemmy instances are fine with you direct linking to piracy torrents?
Irrelevant, as all content on Lemmy is public in a proper sense of this word.
Irrelevant, as all content on Lemmy is public in a proper sense of this word.
/sigh
How many file hosting services let you share pirated data, publicly?
Before you start in on “it’s not the same” it absolutely is. It’s private data, which is being shared through a link publicly. Just like bookmark collections.
And once that file has been identified as piracy, it is very often fingerprinted and blacklisted from not only that instance, but all instances past, present and future.
That’s essentially what is going on here.
I guess we test and see whether I get banned.
Also, it’s not the same. A link to a website is not “pirated content”. A link to a website in a “collection” not shared with anybody is not publicly available pirated content.
Why would Google preemptively ban a set of characters that does not constitute a slur and is perfectly legal to exist?
Crazy that I had to scroll past 9 other comments to reach this one. Maybe I oughta start sorting comments by top.
You can access through google.com/save
That’s not a function of chrome though, I can do that on any browser.
Thats’s what I meant by posting the link, you can access it anywhere.
Okay sure but that’s not a service that google is explicitly providing and hosting on their server. Bookmarks are saved locally.
Wtf is a collections?
Basically the Google equivalent of Pocket Reader; saves a whole bunch of links from Google News/Articles for you, Google search, and general web links. It’s not the same as your Chrome bookmarks (though at one point they were considering merging them until everyone hated it).
Ok, I just checked. My collections consist almost entirely of saved maps locations of which restaurants and tourist places I want to visit. Interesting.
Beats me, I only use chrome if firefox cannot display the site correctly. And it’s a case to case basis at that, it has to be that I really really need to access that site.
Also i rarely use the Google apps that came with my phone. The most probably used one is Maps.
Edit : so yeah, I forgot. I’m on Android. There’s that, no escaping from them on my part. I can’t be bothered with using and installing my own phone OS.
I’m with you. I’ve disabled some of the more intrusive system apps and Google apps, but there’s no replacement for Maps atm. The best I’ve found is OsmAnd, but it is unusable for me because there’s no way to track movement while observing the convention of north = up.
I like the maps integration with Android auto so that has to stay
My bookmarks can also be shared with the public though
I’m not aware of a way of making your bookmarks public through chrome.
This is misinformation. This has to do with Google collections and how it’s a shared platform, so of course google is going to monitor this.
Your private bookmarks are fine. Relax.
Still, you shouldn’t use Chrome or any Google products if you can help it.
What should I use instead?
Firefox
Alright gonna give it a shot! Thanks.
I went from chrome to Firefox and while there is a slight learning curve (like private browsing is ctrl + shift + P instead of Chrome’s ctrl + shift + n?) But I’ve been having a great time with it.
Okay I appreciate that! Just started using it.
The biggest learning curve for me was the placement of the find bar.
It’s the only way.
Op you’re so easily fooled
Fake, as that site is brand new and has nothing on it.
Google has plenty of skeletons in their closet. OP didn’t have to make up new ones.
Internet will internet though I guess
Fake, as that site is brand new and has nothing on it.
what site is brand new?
I think they meant the Kickass Torrents (KAT) link. It was taken down in 2016, but it looks like it’s back by the original people that were running it.
I just received that email today on a ligh novel reading site. It’s real.
Check Internet Archive. It was a torrent site.
Now we know we’ve reached parity with Twitter, we have people sharing misinformation!
getfirefox.com and disable google search in your preferences. F*ck google.
People are saying this is fake, maybe that image in particular is, but I just got that email and that’s annoying me so here’s a pic
Dose it means Google actually deleted it?
From the collections yes, I can’t see that item there. They are just bookmarks from mobile device though, it’s been so many years I didn’t even know that was there lol.
Not on firefox they’re not
the only two things that shock me about this is
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That it took until now for it to happen
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that people are shocked by it.
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As people have said, this is fake, but why would you keep any important data with Google anyway?
People keep saying this is fake, but I just received this email today on another site lol that’s annoying
It’s fake in that this is about shared collections, not just your regular bookmarks as implied.
You also can’t share pirate material on YouTube, can you?
Here’s the print from my mail. And that is a bookmark from my mobile device, that website is not mine.
Is it maybe about items in this? https://www.google.com/save
I have plenty of links in my bookmarks that google doesn’t like, haven’t received any email. I do not use the “save” feature though…
In another capture, it says that the link is hidden for others but also for the current user.
Is this an old screenshot? The email looks like a screenshot of a screenshot, of a screenshot, etc.
fake, visit the site, there is nothing there.
That’s not now the internet works. There was something there. See: https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/katcr.co
There is nothing on katcr.co and today is the second time someone posted that url, bot
Ok, so you are actually new to the internet. I’ll explain, human to human, human.
A domain name like reddit.com or katcr.co is a registration someone gets for a period of time, at least 1 year but sometimes more than a year. One year, a user can purchase katcr.co and put up their personal website, because their name is Kat Crosby, and they are a company - katcr.co fits so they buy it and put up a site for a year or two. Life happens and they abandon the site. The domain becomes available again. Someone purchases katcr.co and makes a cookie business for a few years, abandoning the site. Someone else buys it later when it’s available and makes a bittorrent site out of it, runs it for a few years. the domain gets siezed and they can no longer use that domain. The katcr.co domain becomes available again. no one buys it.
Someone said they used to go to katcr.co years ago, someone else chimes in and says “that site doesn’t exist, you’re a liar”, and then someone with more understanding of the internet sends an archive.org link.
Why archive.org? It’s the only site that does this thing.
What is the thing it does? It will, and has over the years visited websites and saved snapshots of it. Archiving it, if you will. You can then go to web.archive.org and enter the domain name of any site and it will send you to the link you’ve been given a few times. This link is to a page that shows all the times archive.org has captured a snapshot of that link. It allows you to view that page (usually just text, usually missing a lot of content like images and external files) as it was at that time.
In this case, the existence of the link immediately disproves your argument.
In other words, you’re entirely wrong. Both about katcr.co being fake because it’s currently not online, and also about me being a bot.
There is nothing there, but there was. Just check Wayback Machine, for example here from 2018. Whether bot post or not, it’s entirely plausible that the screenshot is real. Bookmarks don’t magically disappear when the site they point to turns to a placeholder page.
Edit: Wayback Machine seems to have some stability problems right now, you might have to try again if you get a connection error.
There used to be things there
First day on the world wide web, eh?
Google keeps taking L’s and firefox keeps taking W’s. If they keep going maybe firefox will be most used browser again
I hate that I have to keep chrome on my machine because some sites I visit don’t work well, or at all, on Firefox.
I’ve heard a lot of people mention this recently and I must live a charmed life because I’ve never had this happen. There was I think maybe, once where I was having a problem with a site and it said that I needed to use a browser like chrome so I begrudgingly did and it still didn’t work so I don’t count that as an example and other than that, I’ve just never seen it. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s not since about 2001 that I’ve seen any website give me shit with only working on certain browsers and that was sites designed to work on IE6 or something.
Just had it happen yesterday with the the students loan simulator. It wouldn’t work on Firefox and kept getting hung and freezing. Opened it in chrome and it worked perfectly first time.
It’s not common, but enough that I keep chrome installed for now.
I’ve used several sites that just won’t scroll in Firefox. Coursera is awful for this and a lot of job sites seem to use the same library because they have the exact same issue
When someone sends me links to instagram on my phone, firefox mobile can’t play the thing, I’m forced to open the link in chrome to watch the video. There are lots and lots of websites and webapps that don’t work or barely open on firefox. I’m forced to regularly open every week a few links on chrome/chromium on my computer as well. Although the amount as reduced a lot, some years ago it was worse.
The most annoying thing is the website that insist on displaying a banner everytime you visit to tell you that it won’t work on Firefox. And then it works perfectly fine
Brave or ungoogled chromium are other options
both are still just chromium and as such still subject to google’s bullshittery like amp, manifest v3 and web integrity
Use brave
That’s just chrome with a hat on and does nothing to help reduce the encroachment of Google as the internet’s sole provider
But it is more private than chrome and makes heavy modifications for privacy/freedom’s sake it is definitely better than actual chrome if you have to use something chromium based
it’s literally made by an adtech company. you’re falling for marketing hype
seeing as no one has delivered proof so far i would argue that thats not the case.
i mean one can literally check for themself (even i, if i could be bothered)
It’s still chromium based, which I’m trying to get away from as much as possible.
How to make people care, though
A few days ago, a friend asked me what browser I was using, a question he asked me in a genuine manner of getting my opinion. When I asnwered that I was using Firefox, he - again, what seemed to be genuine - wanted to know why. Knowing that he likes to use adblockers, I then told him about Google’s recent attempts of attacking an open web, specificly mentioning ManifestV3 and WEI API and how they are a potential threat to his use of adblockers.
“Well, I use ublock origin on chrome and it still works, so I’ll keep using that.”
Apparently, I am not convincing enough.
Your friend represents the norm, in my experience. One huge source of societal problems is the inability to consider the unavoidable consequences of one’s actions. I mean, just look at what we’re doing to the entire planet…
The problem is the pot boils to slow for us to perceive the change. Many people are unable or unwilling to look at the bigger picture because they’re too comfortable where they’re at in the moment.
Unless they sort out their funding (find someone that is not Google for majority of their money), people shouldn’t care.
I don’t understand. You think people shouldn’t care about privacy? You think people shouldn’t care about one or two massive corporations having complete control over the internet?
Explain.
Not at all. They should find an alternative that cannot be just unplugged on demand.
Mozilla cannot be unplugged on demand. That would cause Google to become a monopoly, and they would be held to extreme harsh laws by the EU. Like in the case of IE6 back in the day.
Google does not want that, so they donate to Mozilla to keep Firefox as a competitor. And Firefox has to do jack shit in return other than exist.
The only way Firefox could be unplugged is if a new non-chromium browser becomes one of the big browsers.
This is all technically correct. Although I think it’s a little naive to say that a corporation “cannot” do something today. There are lots of things they technically cannot do yet it happens on daily basis.
I think his point is that as long as Google is the primary funding source for Mozilla it’s not worth relying on Firefox because there’s always the risk Google will demand Mozilla capitulates and tows the line. Once/If Mozilla secure independent funding then they can be ‘trusted’
Oh, I see. For some reason, I thought they were referring to content creators and others who profit from Google ads or something like that.
And yeah, there’s a lot that Mozilla’s corporate branch needs to sort out, but Firefox and its forks are the only viable alternatives to chromium browsers right now, so people should still care about that.
“Perfection is the enemy of progress” … or something like that
🤔 So why can’t we just make our own browser then?
Making a browser isn’t terribly hard, and there’s dozens of ‘browsers’ (see nyxt, qutebrowser, vimb, brave, vivaldi, etc). Making a browser engine is hard, and expensive, which is why all of the alternatives i’ve used are either chromium or webkit based. The webkit ones seem to crash on anything with complex javascript. The chromium engine ones work great, however that doesn’t stop Google from making changes to the engine which people are up in arms about.
Browser engines are very, very, very, very very hard to make and maintain.
See: Opera and Microsoft Edge, which formerly ran on bespoke engines until they converted to Chromium because no one would support their browser.
It doesn’t matter, we literally have no choice. We either accomplish something very hard in our lives or suffer. And life is very very unkind to the indolent and downtrodden.
Good thing I’ve been using Raindrop.io to manage my bookmarks for years because I used to switch browsers so often. I’ve settled on Firefox for the most part, but am looking forward to Arc on Windows.
Is there a self-hosted version or alternative? This looks solid, but I’ve been trying to self host as much as possible
Here you go, comrade:
https://awesome-selfhosted.net/tags/bookmarks-and-link-sharing.html
I chose Linkding because it’s simple to set up, I’m looking forward to Omnivore when it’s a bit more easy to self-host.
doing the Lord’s work out here, cheers
vi ~/.config/qutebrowser/quickmarks
I’ve started using arc on Mac and I can’t go back. Hopeful that it gets released on windows soon.
Can you tell me the appeal of Arc? I have it, and I’ve used it, but I just can’t seem to “get it”.
I use it at work and it’s simplified a lot of things. On Mac I use different desktop spaces for different apps. So it put a lot of my apps onto one screen instead of 3. I put Spotify, my project management software, and my browser on one screen. So it simplified my workflow in that way.
I also like the different spaces that you can setup. So I have one space for general work tabs, stock imagery websites, and then inspiration websites. All while keeping my 6 most used websites at the top. So really I like how it’s rearranged my bookmarks. Also a fan of its Split View management. I know I could just drag a tab out in chrome or whatever. But this will automatically size them nicely.
Overall I could see it not being very useful if you just use a browser for checking email or one or two sites. But it excels at managing a lot of tabs.
Edit: One last thing I love is the auto tab delete after 12 hours (you can change the time or turn it off). I love being able to just spam tabs and come back the next day and have it all clean and fresh.
As if I needed any more reasons to avoid their craptacular browser like the plague that it is.
chrome can E2E encrypt your bookmarks, I didn’t realize it wasn’t used by default
E2E encryption is only (potentially) effective if the threat is a MITM. If your threat model shows any possibility for your threats to be on either end, it is effectively useless.
Now I’m not saying that you should model Chrome as a threat, but I’m certainly saying that you also can’t be certain you don’t need to. The whole thing is closed source, the publisher is a Machiavellian megacorporation; and if I were Google, and had to spy on users for profit, that’s certainly where I’d start. You know, as anonymized metrics, to “help improving Chrome”.
Edit: oh and, I haven’t checked what they mean by that, but potentially, the E2EE is meant in the context of the transit only, meaning the data at rest is not encrypted, on your computer, or on the Google servers.
under “keep your info private”, this is different than encrypted in transit. I mean I guess they could be lying 🤷♂️
They have another option specifically for “encrypting in transit”? Or you mean they worded it differently? Because if it’s only the latter, that’s kind of the point…
firefox doesn’t do this
For now. All it takes is a single change in leadership.
Nah, the CEO reports to the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, so just swapping the CEO will not impact their overall goals.
Besides, Firefox end-to-end-encrypts synced data. They’d have to rip out a ton of solid engineering to know what you bookmark.
Either does Chrome probably. This is probably fake
